Red Dot Slash Motors- 12T Titan 550
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So if it is legal explain to me how he got so much more RPM's out of the motor without tweaking the arm or zapping magnets ?
once again as I said if you have to cheat to win , then you haven't won anything . So basically what tracks can do to combat this , is to implement a claimer rule of 25$ a motor , that is about the price of a true stock TRA3785 motor . Problem solved .
once again as I said if you have to cheat to win , then you haven't won anything . So basically what tracks can do to combat this , is to implement a claimer rule of 25$ a motor , that is about the price of a true stock TRA3785 motor . Problem solved .
If you been around as long as some have you know that not everyone that runs has to cheat, some actually have knowledge and experiance.
If I wanted I could easily do what Doc does but choose not to. He chooses to do it for fun and to help others out that don't know anything about brushed motors or just don't feel like putting in the little extra time needed to make the already good running Traxxas motor that tad bit better.
We do have a claim rule but the hobbyshop owner takes care of that. I had one taken last year and was given a new one for a replacement after some thought I was too fast. The shop owner even announced he gave me a new motor. I took the motor from the wrapper and no break in. Ran my heat and went 15 seconds faster than everyone. Everyone say me take it from the wrapper to my Slash so it was great. Last time anyone every said a word.
The other thing is not every single motor is great from the box. They are machine wound with huge tolerance between individual motors so it stands to reason if Doc goes thru alot of motors he will get ones that are better to start with and that upper % are the ones he would sell to the public. I know he has ones that never make it even after he uses his breakin process.
Even in the end in are Spec class I never been beating buy someone that had a special motor, I was just beat by a better driver on that day.
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has anyone used a Black Can (Tam. Sport tuned) in a Slash w/XL-5?
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Take even something as simple as water dipping. What voltage works best?
How long? etc... I'd rather pay for one of Doc's motors then screw around learning what works best, but you can if you want.
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All good input from folks here, and I appreciate it.
Much of what our customers pay for is...consistency. We've put a lot of time, effort, research and- frankly- dollars into developing proprietary processes, fluids and equipment that ensure a quality, consistent product from motor to motor. Our motor ledgers contain performance documentation on every motor that's ever left the Lab, so we know whether we're going in the right direction. We're incredibly anal about things like fluid quality, time on equipment, dyno calibration and- perhaps most important- cleanliness (there's a reason it's called The Secret Underground Laboratory ). And we pass all of this knowledge along to our customers in the form of consistently improved performance.
Many of our customers comment on the condition of the comm when they receive their motors. A plain old water dip will give you a dull, scarred commutator, but our motors generally arrive with a comm that looks like it just came from the factory. That's because our unique break-in process (the first step of about 20 that takes a motor from box stock to Red Dot status) is designed to conform the brushes to the comm without causing undue damage that can drastically shorten the life of your new motor.
This is getting kind of long, but here's an example of how we do our research: Couple of years ago, I wanted to know whether any of the currently available bushing lubes would give me an advantage. So I devised a jig to hold a motor with an optical reader that determined RPM with a timer hooked up to it. I took about a dozen new motors, popped the cans, removed the magnets, and reassembled them. Each motor was oiled with a different lube. Then I mounted each motor in turn on the jig with a weighted dyno wheel attached to it, ran the wheel up to a predetermined RPM with a slave motor that had a rubber wheel attached to it, started the timer, removed the slave drive, and determined how long it took for the RPM to drop (with the magnets removed, the arm would spin for a long time). Each motor had to be new (and couldn't be reused) because oil leaves a residue and I wanted clean, clear results. At the end of the day (and clearly, a considerable investment), the testing showed that four of the oils worked better than the other eight. One was as good as the other three but cost much less.
So, here's my gift to you: Mobil One synthetic oil- the kind you buy by the quart in an auto parts store- in the lightest weight, works as well on bushings as anything you can find out there. It's cheap- 5 to 7 bucks for a quart, enough to last almost anybody a lifetime of RC racing. And the reasoning behind the recommendation came from solid, fact-based testing. Just like the way we tune our motors.
Much of what our customers pay for is...consistency. We've put a lot of time, effort, research and- frankly- dollars into developing proprietary processes, fluids and equipment that ensure a quality, consistent product from motor to motor. Our motor ledgers contain performance documentation on every motor that's ever left the Lab, so we know whether we're going in the right direction. We're incredibly anal about things like fluid quality, time on equipment, dyno calibration and- perhaps most important- cleanliness (there's a reason it's called The Secret Underground Laboratory ). And we pass all of this knowledge along to our customers in the form of consistently improved performance.
Many of our customers comment on the condition of the comm when they receive their motors. A plain old water dip will give you a dull, scarred commutator, but our motors generally arrive with a comm that looks like it just came from the factory. That's because our unique break-in process (the first step of about 20 that takes a motor from box stock to Red Dot status) is designed to conform the brushes to the comm without causing undue damage that can drastically shorten the life of your new motor.
This is getting kind of long, but here's an example of how we do our research: Couple of years ago, I wanted to know whether any of the currently available bushing lubes would give me an advantage. So I devised a jig to hold a motor with an optical reader that determined RPM with a timer hooked up to it. I took about a dozen new motors, popped the cans, removed the magnets, and reassembled them. Each motor was oiled with a different lube. Then I mounted each motor in turn on the jig with a weighted dyno wheel attached to it, ran the wheel up to a predetermined RPM with a slave motor that had a rubber wheel attached to it, started the timer, removed the slave drive, and determined how long it took for the RPM to drop (with the magnets removed, the arm would spin for a long time). Each motor had to be new (and couldn't be reused) because oil leaves a residue and I wanted clean, clear results. At the end of the day (and clearly, a considerable investment), the testing showed that four of the oils worked better than the other eight. One was as good as the other three but cost much less.
So, here's my gift to you: Mobil One synthetic oil- the kind you buy by the quart in an auto parts store- in the lightest weight, works as well on bushings as anything you can find out there. It's cheap- 5 to 7 bucks for a quart, enough to last almost anybody a lifetime of RC racing. And the reasoning behind the recommendation came from solid, fact-based testing. Just like the way we tune our motors.
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Thanks Steve- after comparing the 2 side by side I noticed the pinion shaft is shorter on the black can anyway. Had the Black can in my Mini Cooper and was curious if it could be transplanted in the Slash. I think I'll just stick w/my VXL or Mamba.
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Just like any field knowledge costs. Everything Doc does is legal and if you knew how and had years of experience, you could do it also.
Take even something as simple as water dipping. What voltage works best?
How long? etc... I'd rather pay for one of Doc's motors then screw around learning what works best, but you can if you want.
Take even something as simple as water dipping. What voltage works best?
How long? etc... I'd rather pay for one of Doc's motors then screw around learning what works best, but you can if you want.
Steve
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So, here's my gift to you: Mobil One synthetic oil- the kind you buy by the quart in an auto parts store- in the lightest weight, works as well on bushings as anything you can find out there. It's cheap- 5 to 7 bucks for a quart, enough to last almost anybody a lifetime of RC racing. And the reasoning behind the recommendation came from solid, fact-based testing. Just like the way we tune our motors.
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Max- The point is not about oil...it's that we spend a lot of time and effort to use fact-based research on the work we do to improve motors. The oil thing was just an example of the lengths we go to to debunk myths and find the Truth.
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Basically put anyone can do what Doc does- no insult doc- but you have to one have the idea to try what he's tried and be willing to spend the money to test your theories. Personally, I would find it cheaper to buy one of his motors.
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For anyone who's interested, the next production run of Red Dot Slash motors is scheduled for the week of January 25th.
The last run sold out even after we doubled it, and may of the motors in this run have already been sold through prepaid advance orders.
If you want one (or more) of these before mid-February, probably best to drop me a line at [email protected].
The last run sold out even after we doubled it, and may of the motors in this run have already been sold through prepaid advance orders.
If you want one (or more) of these before mid-February, probably best to drop me a line at [email protected].