Vague TC question about spools
09-19-2011, 08:22 PM
#16
Yes, XRay came out with the ECS for a reason. They DO reduce front end chatter and provide smoother power delivery at large steering angles.
Tune your car where you don't need an extreme steering angle, and that chatter is reduced. Or, spend $100+, make no other changes, and reduce the chatter without learning anything other than how to spend money.
I've got my car handling quite well with standard axles.
Tune your car where you don't need an extreme steering angle, and that chatter is reduced. Or, spend $100+, make no other changes, and reduce the chatter without learning anything other than how to spend money.
I've got my car handling quite well with standard axles.
09-19-2011, 08:36 PM
#18
A TC is always going to feel a bit more lumbering than a 1/12 pan, but if the car felt like it was on top of the track, that also points to a setup issue for your driving style.
09-19-2011, 08:41 PM
#19
I'd rather have it handle squirly and agile than like roadkill that I have to take out for drinks to do what I want
...lolI use very little wheel and throttle
I look forward to that answer
09-19-2011, 09:00 PM
#20
I get home in a couple days from being overseas, then I'll post up my current T3'11 asphalt setup.
My last time home, I spent the entire month concentrating on getting a good balance on the car when driving with smooth, minimal, steering input, and smoothing out my throttle use. I figured it's gotta help to get in that habit for my 1/12 when the winter season starts, might as well help my TC get around the track fast with a similar attitude.
It's got enough steering that the most people would probably spin the car out on the first couple of laps, but when you use some finesse, it carries a lot of corner speed, changes directions well, squares up nicely on corner exit, while maintaining loads of steering, and laid down the fastest main I've run in a LONG time.
Still have some work to do catching the fastest guys, but I'm on the same lap now. 
My last time home, I spent the entire month concentrating on getting a good balance on the car when driving with smooth, minimal, steering input, and smoothing out my throttle use. I figured it's gotta help to get in that habit for my 1/12 when the winter season starts, might as well help my TC get around the track fast with a similar attitude.
It's got enough steering that the most people would probably spin the car out on the first couple of laps, but when you use some finesse, it carries a lot of corner speed, changes directions well, squares up nicely on corner exit, while maintaining loads of steering, and laid down the fastest main I've run in a LONG time.
Still have some work to do catching the fastest guys, but I'm on the same lap now.
09-19-2011, 09:54 PM
#21
$100 is nothing to get things running right !!! It is possible to make the cvds work when using little steering input, but you will always wonder how fast you could have been with the better drives, and hopefully that wondering won't be because you lost by that last 0.1sec the Ecs drives could have shaved off your time ! It's always best to do things right the first time around, whatever the cost !!!!
09-20-2011, 12:39 AM
#23
The dual joint shafts on the JRXS were to relieve binding on such a short distance, but I believe XRay was among, if not THE first to market them specifically for use with a front spool.
Either way, they're still not "required" for a fast car.
09-20-2011, 12:48 AM
#24
Not required for a fast car , but just required for a FASTER car !!! Losi did come out with their lcd's first, and everybody else followed wisely because it made their cars faster ! Hopefully the newbie here will also take a few steps in the same direction ....
09-20-2011, 01:47 AM
#25
+1
09-20-2011, 11:38 AM
#27
I follow logic , and reason. Unlike you, I don't suck up to the Pros !!!! There is alot of that going on in Rc , but it ain't for me , I have my morals !!!!
09-20-2011, 11:41 AM
#28
When did this become personal for you? Ever notice that every thread you post in ends the same way?
Oh, and your !!!! button is still stuck.
Yes, XRay came out with the ECS for a reason. They DO reduce front end chatter and provide smoother power delivery at large steering angles.
Tune your car where you don't need an extreme steering angle, and that chatter is reduced. Or, spend $100+, make no other changes, and reduce the chatter without learning anything other than how to spend money.
I've got my car handling quite well with standard axles.
Tune your car where you don't need an extreme steering angle, and that chatter is reduced. Or, spend $100+, make no other changes, and reduce the chatter without learning anything other than how to spend money.
I've got my car handling quite well with standard axles.
Harry's whole point is that there are differences in set up and driving style. Driving style A may not always match with set up 1. In fact, set up 1 may be better suited to driving style C, so it's up to the individual driver to know when to change the car (if the set up is not appropriate to the track and conditions) and when to change the driver (when the car set up IS appropriate to the track and conditions, but a different touch is required to harness that potential A main win.
Simply throwing so called "fast" parts at a car no more makes is a "fast" car than standing in a parking garage makes you a truck.
Moreover, many set ups, especially in Blinky (where preserving corner speed is paramount) benefit from being closer to the edge of control and with reduced steering angles, thus reducing or eleminating the need for ECS drive shafts.
If they were required for a spool, if they were required to be "fast", if they were required to win titles (local or national), EVERY car manufacturer would have a stock offering if for no other reason than marketing and selling you some BS part because they've convinced you that you "NEED" it.
Large steering angles are prone to scrub speed. Set up your car or drive it so that you don't need large steering angles, and any chatter that you may have becomes a non-issue.
Last edited by Buckaroo; 09-20-2011 at 11:54 AM.
09-20-2011, 11:44 AM
#29
i find with the ECS axles i am slower in fact , and i think this comes from the lack of resistance the ECS gives .
The chatter from the normal axles scrubbs speed off on turn in , so there is no need to brake or let off early for the corners , I tested them back to back in my T3 and i was 0.2sec a lap quicker over an 18 second lap with normal axles because i wasn't over braking at every corner
Just my findings
The chatter from the normal axles scrubbs speed off on turn in , so there is no need to brake or let off early for the corners , I tested them back to back in my T3 and i was 0.2sec a lap quicker over an 18 second lap with normal axles because i wasn't over braking at every corner
Just my findings
09-20-2011, 11:49 AM
#30
Maybe it was an RC thing that would have helped it steer and seem more planted. Wow are their a lot of variables in TC
Perhaps we can agree that from one build to another build something secret or untried is done then we evolve to a better build
Right now seems everyone is using spools but before they also tried diff and one way so if or when a build "shift" happens we'll see another change that one or more pro's tested then implemented
Look at the gear diff that was in the TC3 now it's what most fast guys are running sometimes even in ft diff with heavy goop...lol
So it's an interesting phenomenon when a driver takes a chance on a new set up and it pays off but just prior it was undiscovered then it becomes mainstream and shows up in most kits...lol