Ah... Didn't you already say somthing to that effect on 11/8 two pages back? Now stop selling and or giving cars to kids who are not there yet, maybe! Teach them why things are the way they are first. lol

Nah, this is something new he managed to pull, it simultaneously amuses me and makes me doubt the younger generations, speaking of which he is only seven years younger than I am, so maybe its actually MY generation .

When you run a 1/12 scale with a narrow rear axle, what handling changes does that make? More twitchy? My car just runs better when I take the shims out of the rear axle.

Also, I'm running a tiny amount of steering throw, would less ackerman be the ticket to rolling through corners more efficiently?

Narrow rear has more rear grip, and is more stable to a point.
In relation to the front end, you will also have less steering.

Have you tried making the front track wider yet ?
What are you track widths Fr & Rr ?

Anyone got a pic of the Agitator 12 top shock (close up) or anyone want to sell one (preferably new in package)

Thanks

You had might as well ask for a Faberge egg, I would bet even money that there are no NIB Agitator 12 top shocks in the world, and if there is its probably at the bottom of a long-forgotten bargain bin somewhere.

lol...They we're my main sponsor in the olden days but I tend to get rid of stuff I don't use so I had some ideas and wanted to see or aquire one

Thank you

Hows the Tuscon racing going I really like that track things just seemed to click for my setups

Tucson carpet racing is going with a small but dedicated crowd, we get about one convert a month from the dirt-slingers, and we can even race carpet on Friday now instead of just Sunday.

I still cant convince people that carpet cars are cheaper and more durable than the dirt-burners. What did me in and made me a much more hard-core carpet racer is the three-race tire bullshit they do at Comp these days. When it gets dry that track is so abrasive its like sandpaper. I buy a new set of foamies about once a month.

I miss the old clay with the slick-and-diesel formula that worked so well years ago, but I guess the price of progress (meaning going slower and having the same surface as everyone else) is $20 in tires per race night.

WTH that is so insane

The guy who owned CH was interesting guy

Always saying I couldn't win sedan as well as 12th and I met the challenge every time even in a borrowed sedan car

I think he hated the fact that I used my win certificate to pay for the next race and that I was dead poor with the crappiest of equipment driving my rust bucket two hours from phoenix to Tuscon once a week

Lonny would remember

Wonder if it was the same guy ...lol

Quaid is still the owner of Comp and as far as I know he always was. He actually bought a touring car so we can run some rubber tire, that will be a hoot. We were finally able to clean the carpet out enough and put in the laps to get the groove back up, so it will be fun.

The explaination I got about the three-race tire thing was that the decision to have dry sandy dirt was based on some kind of "we aren't learning anything about chassis development here" argument. The slicks were so grippy that we mainly fought traction rolling and anything that was good on that wasn't much scratch anywhere else, so something happened and the track was dried out, I think sand was added, and now it takes no grove at all and burns tires like you wouldn't believe. Oh well, doesn't bother me anymore, that's why I run on the other side of the drivers stand.

How much of the car do you have now? I had, at one point, a complete car I raced. I find parts of it periodically. It's possible I have the shock. but it's likely in with a bunch of others. do you have a bad pic as a reference? I know you were looking for a good pic.

Was it a silver delta? possibly gold? I just can't remember.

I've got a picture of a car I raced at Cleveland in 89. Was a chassis I made with an Agitator rear and a 12L front. the shock is something I made, so not going to help, but might jog a memory somewhere. Assuming both mounts are right, you're looking for a shock with ball cups on both ends.

Somewhere down in Florida, there is a guy who probably still has some Agitator stuff.

Lucas is still around racing 1/8th scales.

I kind of thought we just used 12L shocks though, but that was a long time ago.

4-cells and wheel dots.
I sure miss those days Bob, and the 400+ entries of 12th scale at Cleveland this time of year.

Thanks Bob for responding

Just the production advanced racing top shock that was like dampner tube shock with no oil but lube

What I am wanting is a mock up for a design of a universal dampning shock for 12th scale and I remember that the Agitator we're like what I mentioned so I wanted it as a visual only mostly. I still need to probably draw it up and borrow an lathe or have it done. My idea was to make it universal so all cars with short or long top shocks could with spacers or whatever use it as upgrade for 12th cars

I like the idea of being able to change lubes very quickly like I did so long ago and not having to deal with oil bubbles or multiple shocks with different oils

I don't have problems with maintenance since it's so fast and easy like side dampers that almost completely rule the 12th cars with the crc side braces/springs

It is something I'd like to do so that is where my inquery stems from in it's initial mockup

I really like the dampning vs. the oil and did well with my stock Agitator doing the same lap times or better as the top guys at Bob and Jims RC world the same race you offered me your sponsorship with Fast Fashion

Going to try to race tomorrow at Norcal for their first race series

Looking forward to regionals

See you then David

Wheel Dots, yes!!!! I remember my dad getting pissed at me for them being stuck all over the garage floor. Ha, thanks!

Used to have an Agitator, the top shock was an oversized damper tube. The main body was a delrin tube, closed at one end with a lip for a spring perch. I don't remember if you used a collar or spacers to adjust ride height. The piston was a nylon rod about 3/8ths in diameter and maybe 1/2 inch long. Bob is right, ball cups at both ends. The larger diameter compared to side damper tubes gave extra and more consistant damping. Unfortunately I too got rid of mine long ago.