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08-21-2011 | 02:55 PM
#1006
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Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 435
Installed 2013 pipe and orion #6 plug and fired up the discovery let it warm up took few back and forths at house to get full warm then threw it up on the bench and idle was perfect no flexing just good solid idle. Hopefully i ha e a good day with it with the right pipe and plug. Could mot get it to idle right with p3 plug and os pipe bit habe the right stuff now and i think it is going to be very good
To be honest i don't know why anybody would want to use anything else then Orion/Sirio/Werks plugs in their LM made engines. Very good plugs that last a long time and with perfect fit as they are made for these headbuttons
08-21-2011 | 08:34 PM
#1008
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Tech Master
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,445
I know this sounds like a commercial coming from me 
but the Team Orion plugs are just the best thing out there. The most durable plug around, and with the heat range to satisfy anyone. We normally run the #5.
Somebody was asking about unstable running with 5 gallons through the engine. First, 5 gallons ain't bad. I would expect between 7 and 9 if you REALLY take good care of it, but even if you suck a tiny bit of dirt during that 5 gallons, it's not going much longer than 5. Also, it's tough to trouble shoot this stuff on the internet. A guy could complain and his stuff is dirty, bad clutch bearings, bad clutch set-up (mixing manuf. parts), bad tune, dirty filter, bad fuel, etc. I'm not saying that's anyone on here, but I've seen that where it's not maintained and then people wonder why it doesn't run right. With good fuel and top maintenance it should purr even when there's not much pinch. Then you slowly have to start turning the idle up as it gets old, but it will SCREAM on the straight.
as an aside.. 98% of the people that ask me to tune their engine have the top end needle too lean, the bottom too fat, and the idle too high.. no kidding.. It's getting where I can almost make the adjustments before starting it. It's normally a half turn too lean on top, a turn too fat on bottom, and the idle needs to be turned down about a half turn.. roughly
but the Team Orion plugs are just the best thing out there. The most durable plug around, and with the heat range to satisfy anyone. We normally run the #5.Somebody was asking about unstable running with 5 gallons through the engine. First, 5 gallons ain't bad. I would expect between 7 and 9 if you REALLY take good care of it, but even if you suck a tiny bit of dirt during that 5 gallons, it's not going much longer than 5. Also, it's tough to trouble shoot this stuff on the internet. A guy could complain and his stuff is dirty, bad clutch bearings, bad clutch set-up (mixing manuf. parts), bad tune, dirty filter, bad fuel, etc. I'm not saying that's anyone on here, but I've seen that where it's not maintained and then people wonder why it doesn't run right. With good fuel and top maintenance it should purr even when there's not much pinch. Then you slowly have to start turning the idle up as it gets old, but it will SCREAM on the straight.
as an aside.. 98% of the people that ask me to tune their engine have the top end needle too lean, the bottom too fat, and the idle too high.. no kidding.. It's getting where I can almost make the adjustments before starting it. It's normally a half turn too lean on top, a turn too fat on bottom, and the idle needs to be turned down about a half turn.. roughly
08-21-2011 | 09:44 PM
#1009
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From: Subang Jaya
Hey all, I have the Team Orion MTE engine that has about 2 1/2 gallons on it. Yesterday I pulled it of from my buggy and try to spin the flywheel, and it turns fairly easy! (The engine had already cooled off when I did this) But when i put the engine back on and run a couple of laps, the engine seems to run fine tank after tank, lap after lap. Temps around 250ish and it idles fine. I'm kinda worried that this engine is shot when i turned the flywheel. It feels like it has lost its compression, but the thing keeps running fine. Am i worrying myself too much?
08-22-2011 | 03:11 AM
#1011
Hey all, I have the Team Orion MTE engine that has about 2 1/2 gallons on it. Yesterday I pulled it of from my buggy and try to spin the flywheel, and it turns fairly easy! (The engine had already cooled off when I did this) But when i put the engine back on and run a couple of laps, the engine seems to run fine tank after tank, lap after lap. Temps around 250ish and it idles fine. I'm kinda worried that this engine is shot when i turned the flywheel. It feels like it has lost its compression, but the thing keeps running fine. Am i worrying myself too much?
08-22-2011 | 06:24 AM
#1012
Yes it should. Last time I talked to Jared Tebo he said he was running the WCE Tebo in his truggy.. He was running the Neo'11 3-port in buggy.. He really likes the 3 port for buggy..
Pitpop can give you the best info on how well it works..
Pitpop can give you the best info on how well it works..
08-22-2011 | 04:25 PM
#1013
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Well the discovery was great allday yesterday with 2013 has great bottom good mid and top at 250 ish with great idle motor has just over gallon onit and has almost no pinch feels like 6-8 gallon old o.s. . I am not worried about that at all though motor is better than waz expecting run time was 8 min. Prob. Could have pushed towards 9. Was happh with that as well since i have heavy throttle finger
08-22-2011 | 06:05 PM
#1014
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Tech Master
Joined: Mar 2006
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absolutely! If you want to get crazy you can put in the 8mm veturi, full end point for the carburetor slide, and 2013 pipe. Then before you go on the track, make an announcement.. "keep your arms and hands inside the truck at all times..!"
If you want to get crazy you can put in the 8mm veturi, full end point for the carburetor slide, and 2013 pipe. Then before you go on the track, make an announcement.. "keep your arms and hands inside the truck at all times..!"
08-22-2011 | 06:34 PM
#1015
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Joined: Mar 2006
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So many posts about pinch on here, so let me clear up some misconceptions about pinch...
When the engine is new, the pinch is tight so that the piston will wear into the size of the sleeve and create a good "seal." When the engine is still new (1/2 gallon or so) it will not have full RPM because the friction is holding the engine back. After the pinch has been reduced (maybe 1 gallon or so), the rpms will be very high, and you will have maximum power. After that you will not feel much pinch, but the engine will run for a LONG TIME. This is the maximum for the engine, between 1 gallon and 4 gallons. Some go longer than others, but most will give good performance for 5 gallons or more. We've had freak engines go around 9 or so.
So what am I saying? Pinch is over rated! Don't be so preoccupied with the way the engine feels, just pay attention to how it runs. If it idles and the tune is consistent, you have a winner. We spend all our time trying to get rid of the pinch to get max power, and I read about guys worried because the pinch is gone. Send it to me and Cody will run it. If you run Team Orion engines, it has the highest quality materials and high silicon piston material. It will maintain the seal longer. It's not some cheap engine that once the pinch is gone, it's done..
The only time you have to worry about the engine losing compression is if you are way over 300 degrees or lost your air cleaner. Then you have problems. Also, the maintenance of the engine is important, keeping clean and fresh air filters all the time. Also, grease the ends of your inner air cleaner sponge. Most of the engines that get ruined suck dirt underneath on the inside closest to the carburetor. That's where the dirt gets in between the housing and the foam.
Here's some tips for long engine life:
- ALWAYS turn the car on it's side when you put in or take out plugs to keep dirt out. If possible, clean inside the head around the plug with the compressor or motor spray as well.
- Be a fanatic about clean air filters! Check often and change frequently.
- Grease the ends of your inner filter sponge.
- Don't take the engine apart! I try as much as I can to never take the engine apart unless absolutely necessary.
Hope this helps the sportsman guys, and for the expert guys, it never hurts to have a refresher... I follow all these guidelines religiously. - PK
When the engine is new, the pinch is tight so that the piston will wear into the size of the sleeve and create a good "seal." When the engine is still new (1/2 gallon or so) it will not have full RPM because the friction is holding the engine back. After the pinch has been reduced (maybe 1 gallon or so), the rpms will be very high, and you will have maximum power. After that you will not feel much pinch, but the engine will run for a LONG TIME. This is the maximum for the engine, between 1 gallon and 4 gallons. Some go longer than others, but most will give good performance for 5 gallons or more. We've had freak engines go around 9 or so.
So what am I saying? Pinch is over rated! Don't be so preoccupied with the way the engine feels, just pay attention to how it runs. If it idles and the tune is consistent, you have a winner. We spend all our time trying to get rid of the pinch to get max power, and I read about guys worried because the pinch is gone. Send it to me and Cody will run it.
If you run Team Orion engines, it has the highest quality materials and high silicon piston material. It will maintain the seal longer. It's not some cheap engine that once the pinch is gone, it's done..The only time you have to worry about the engine losing compression is if you are way over 300 degrees or lost your air cleaner. Then you have problems. Also, the maintenance of the engine is important, keeping clean and fresh air filters all the time. Also, grease the ends of your inner air cleaner sponge. Most of the engines that get ruined suck dirt underneath on the inside closest to the carburetor. That's where the dirt gets in between the housing and the foam.
Here's some tips for long engine life:
- ALWAYS turn the car on it's side when you put in or take out plugs to keep dirt out. If possible, clean inside the head around the plug with the compressor or motor spray as well.
- Be a fanatic about clean air filters! Check often and change frequently.
- Grease the ends of your inner filter sponge.
- Don't take the engine apart! I try as much as I can to never take the engine apart unless absolutely necessary.
Hope this helps the sportsman guys, and for the expert guys, it never hurts to have a refresher... I follow all these guidelines religiously. - PK
08-22-2011 | 08:49 PM
#1016
Tech Apprentice
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 83
Nice advise pitpop.
I see some that they always take the engine apart then cleans it, they constantly do this every after race. Are they doing it right or just messing up the engine?. Also when do i need to change my con rod on the ck ed. Im already running alsmost 2 gallons?
I see some that they always take the engine apart then cleans it, they constantly do this every after race. Are they doing it right or just messing up the engine?. Also when do i need to change my con rod on the ck ed. Im already running alsmost 2 gallons?
So many posts about pinch on here, so let me clear up some misconceptions about pinch...
When the engine is new, the pinch is tight so that the piston will wear into the size of the sleeve and create a good "seal." When the engine is still new (1/2 gallon or so) it will not have full RPM because the friction is holding the engine back. After the pinch has been reduced (maybe 1 gallon or so), the rpms will be very high, and you will have maximum power. After that you will not feel much pinch, but the engine will run for a LONG TIME. This is the maximum for the engine, between 1 gallon and 4 gallons. Some go longer than others, but most will give good performance for 5 gallons or more. We've had freak engines go around 9 or so.
So what am I saying? Pinch is over rated! Don't be so preoccupied with the way the engine feels, just pay attention to how it runs. If it idles and the tune is consistent, you have a winner. We spend all our time trying to get rid of the pinch to get max power, and I read about guys worried because the pinch is gone. Send it to me and Cody will run it. If you run Team Orion engines, it has the highest quality materials and high silicon piston material. It will maintain the seal longer. It's not some cheap engine that once the pinch is gone, it's done..
The only time you have to worry about the engine losing compression is if you are way over 300 degrees or lost your air cleaner. Then you have problems. Also, the maintenance of the engine is important, keeping clean and fresh air filters all the time. Also, grease the ends of your inner air cleaner sponge. Most of the engines that get ruined suck dirt underneath on the inside closest to the carburetor. That's where the dirt gets in between the housing and the foam.
Here's some tips for long engine life:
- ALWAYS turn the car on it's side when you put in or take out plugs to keep dirt out. If possible, clean inside the head around the plug with the compressor or motor spray as well.
- Be a fanatic about clean air filters! Check often and change frequently.
- Grease the ends of your inner filter sponge.
- Don't take the engine apart! I try as much as I can to never take the engine apart unless absolutely necessary.
Hope this helps the sportsman guys, and for the expert guys, it never hurts to have a refresher... I follow all these guidelines religiously. - PK
When the engine is new, the pinch is tight so that the piston will wear into the size of the sleeve and create a good "seal." When the engine is still new (1/2 gallon or so) it will not have full RPM because the friction is holding the engine back. After the pinch has been reduced (maybe 1 gallon or so), the rpms will be very high, and you will have maximum power. After that you will not feel much pinch, but the engine will run for a LONG TIME. This is the maximum for the engine, between 1 gallon and 4 gallons. Some go longer than others, but most will give good performance for 5 gallons or more. We've had freak engines go around 9 or so.
So what am I saying? Pinch is over rated! Don't be so preoccupied with the way the engine feels, just pay attention to how it runs. If it idles and the tune is consistent, you have a winner. We spend all our time trying to get rid of the pinch to get max power, and I read about guys worried because the pinch is gone. Send it to me and Cody will run it.
If you run Team Orion engines, it has the highest quality materials and high silicon piston material. It will maintain the seal longer. It's not some cheap engine that once the pinch is gone, it's done..The only time you have to worry about the engine losing compression is if you are way over 300 degrees or lost your air cleaner. Then you have problems. Also, the maintenance of the engine is important, keeping clean and fresh air filters all the time. Also, grease the ends of your inner air cleaner sponge. Most of the engines that get ruined suck dirt underneath on the inside closest to the carburetor. That's where the dirt gets in between the housing and the foam.
Here's some tips for long engine life:
- ALWAYS turn the car on it's side when you put in or take out plugs to keep dirt out. If possible, clean inside the head around the plug with the compressor or motor spray as well.
- Be a fanatic about clean air filters! Check often and change frequently.
- Grease the ends of your inner filter sponge.
- Don't take the engine apart! I try as much as I can to never take the engine apart unless absolutely necessary.
Hope this helps the sportsman guys, and for the expert guys, it never hurts to have a refresher... I follow all these guidelines religiously. - PK
08-22-2011 | 11:30 PM
#1017
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 303
From: Subang Jaya
So many posts about pinch on here, so let me clear up some misconceptions about pinch...
When the engine is new, the pinch is tight so that the piston will wear into the size of the sleeve and create a good "seal." When the engine is still new (1/2 gallon or so) it will not have full RPM because the friction is holding the engine back. After the pinch has been reduced (maybe 1 gallon or so), the rpms will be very high, and you will have maximum power. After that you will not feel much pinch, but the engine will run for a LONG TIME. This is the maximum for the engine, between 1 gallon and 4 gallons. Some go longer than others, but most will give good performance for 5 gallons or more. We've had freak engines go around 9 or so.
So what am I saying? Pinch is over rated! Don't be so preoccupied with the way the engine feels, just pay attention to how it runs. If it idles and the tune is consistent, you have a winner. We spend all our time trying to get rid of the pinch to get max power, and I read about guys worried because the pinch is gone. Send it to me and Cody will run it. If you run Team Orion engines, it has the highest quality materials and high silicon piston material. It will maintain the seal longer. It's not some cheap engine that once the pinch is gone, it's done..
The only time you have to worry about the engine losing compression is if you are way over 300 degrees or lost your air cleaner. Then you have problems. Also, the maintenance of the engine is important, keeping clean and fresh air filters all the time. Also, grease the ends of your inner air cleaner sponge. Most of the engines that get ruined suck dirt underneath on the inside closest to the carburetor. That's where the dirt gets in between the housing and the foam.
Here's some tips for long engine life:
- ALWAYS turn the car on it's side when you put in or take out plugs to keep dirt out. If possible, clean inside the head around the plug with the compressor or motor spray as well.
- Be a fanatic about clean air filters! Check often and change frequently.
- Grease the ends of your inner filter sponge.
- Don't take the engine apart! I try as much as I can to never take the engine apart unless absolutely necessary.
Hope this helps the sportsman guys, and for the expert guys, it never hurts to have a refresher... I follow all these guidelines religiously. - PK
When the engine is new, the pinch is tight so that the piston will wear into the size of the sleeve and create a good "seal." When the engine is still new (1/2 gallon or so) it will not have full RPM because the friction is holding the engine back. After the pinch has been reduced (maybe 1 gallon or so), the rpms will be very high, and you will have maximum power. After that you will not feel much pinch, but the engine will run for a LONG TIME. This is the maximum for the engine, between 1 gallon and 4 gallons. Some go longer than others, but most will give good performance for 5 gallons or more. We've had freak engines go around 9 or so.
So what am I saying? Pinch is over rated! Don't be so preoccupied with the way the engine feels, just pay attention to how it runs. If it idles and the tune is consistent, you have a winner. We spend all our time trying to get rid of the pinch to get max power, and I read about guys worried because the pinch is gone. Send it to me and Cody will run it.
If you run Team Orion engines, it has the highest quality materials and high silicon piston material. It will maintain the seal longer. It's not some cheap engine that once the pinch is gone, it's done..The only time you have to worry about the engine losing compression is if you are way over 300 degrees or lost your air cleaner. Then you have problems. Also, the maintenance of the engine is important, keeping clean and fresh air filters all the time. Also, grease the ends of your inner air cleaner sponge. Most of the engines that get ruined suck dirt underneath on the inside closest to the carburetor. That's where the dirt gets in between the housing and the foam.
Here's some tips for long engine life:
- ALWAYS turn the car on it's side when you put in or take out plugs to keep dirt out. If possible, clean inside the head around the plug with the compressor or motor spray as well.
- Be a fanatic about clean air filters! Check often and change frequently.
- Grease the ends of your inner filter sponge.
- Don't take the engine apart! I try as much as I can to never take the engine apart unless absolutely necessary.
Hope this helps the sportsman guys, and for the expert guys, it never hurts to have a refresher... I follow all these guidelines religiously. - PK
08-23-2011 | 06:21 AM
#1018
Good write up Paul.. I was actually going to ask if loosing pinch in 1/2 a gallon was a bad thing. But you seem to have nailed it for me.. This is my 2nd Discovery, and I am breaking it in a bit differentlt then the first one. The first one took 3/4-1 gal before no pinch.. But to day at 116 (F) I rolled engine over with some effort, but no metal to metal contact. Or none I could feel..
I am looking forward to The Byrons Nitro Challenge this weekend in St. Louis.. I just need ta get the rest of my parts in..
I am looking forward to The Byrons Nitro Challenge this weekend in St. Louis.. I just need ta get the rest of my parts in..