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Old 07-26-2011 | 09:27 AM
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the pistons do not come with optional pistons , since you will not have to change the compression piston in about two weeks i will be able to sell just the rebound piston since that is the one that will need to change. although the only change i have needed from track to track has been oil. i sale the drill sets so you can alter hole sizes to fit your needs.
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Old 07-26-2011 | 09:32 AM
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the rpm pistons were made to fit only the traxxas brand of shocks, which goes along with rpm's current lineup of products (mostly for traxxas cars). anyway, what is the website for these pistons? i want to try some out!
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Old 07-26-2011 | 09:35 AM
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No wonder no one used them. They were never made for a performance car!

www.rcshox.com
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Old 07-26-2011 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MantisWorx
ok, let me try and answer all of your questions! im at the machine making them right now about to go out and get more delrin!

the price is for 4 complete pistons

the pistons for the RC8 are the bigger ones that come on the new RC8e

im installing them on a Factory kyosho USA drivers car today! he drove my RB5 last weekend and couldnt believe it. they work phenomenal on the big bores. a nice stepping stone is to run the RCshox pistons on the STD velvets and save 115.00!!

i have pistons for 1/10 AE already in the making, will be ready next week.

yes RPM made a similar back in the 90's since then ALOT of things have changed. they only made them one size and to be honest i dont know what shocks they fit???? i have a set of them and its a bad size, will not fit AE,or kyosho but maybe losi , not sure.

At any rate i have gobs and gobs of man hours in testing these, probably made 150 pair of pistons over the last few months finding the right ratio and combo. Instead of handing them to really good drivers i handed them to drivers that have potential to get better and have an understanding of how suspension is supposed to work and would listen to what i was saying. its hard to get a tenth of a second out of someone who is already blistering fast but getting a full second out of someone who is slightly better than average is a better comparison in my opinion. symmetricon dropped almost a full second off of his quick time in less than 7 days! i smashed all of the track records in the same time frame. Those of you that know me know that im a pretty quick guy so for me to be able to beat my own times by almost a half a second is a big accomplishment. but enough about me! i think these pistons are one of the missing links in RC racing, try some and see!

now i gotta get back on the machine!
What weight of shock oil do you recommend to start with for an rb5 with bigbores? (medium size indoor clay track)
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Old 07-26-2011 | 10:07 AM
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Just a couple questions. These pistons look and sound great, but because they are thicker than the standard piston, do they change the amount of travel/droop that you are able to achieve? Also lets say I have a setup that works well, and I change out my stock pistons for these, should I start with the same oil or go up or down oil weight? What about springs? With less rebound dampening have you found it nescesary to go to lighter springs to help prevent the pogo effect?

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Old 07-26-2011 | 10:21 AM
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Glad to see you go public with these Marcus. Hope you sell a lot of them.
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Old 07-26-2011 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rcboy1
the rpm pistons were made to fit only the traxxas brand of shocks, which goes along with rpm's current lineup of products (mostly for traxxas cars). anyway, what is the website for these pistons? i want to try some out!
Actually they had some that were for Associateds as well. But like was said before they had fitment issues.
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Old 07-26-2011 | 10:45 AM
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I have wondered why it has taken so long to get this in RC. Almost every other performance shock in off road is at least two stage. I want to know when the four stage shock is coming out?
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Old 07-26-2011 | 10:52 AM
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Are different springs suggested to offset the different rebound rates?
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Old 07-26-2011 | 11:17 AM
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Hi Marcus - what about pistons for Schumacher big bore shocks? Can you post them to europe?
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Old 07-26-2011 | 11:27 AM
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He doesn't have any Schumacher shocks that I know of. You're in luck though as I do own a pair of Schumacher big bores and can let him borrow mine to measure. Keep in mind he's backed up with current orders and still needs to design them for other manufacturers shocks as well so it may be a little while yet.
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Old 07-26-2011 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmahhh
Are different springs suggested to offset the different rebound rates?
Marcus has more experience than anyone with these but my personal opinion is that springs have nothing to do with dampening shock or rebound and which springs to use should be determined separately. He's played around with many different combos in regards to dampening and rebound rates. He can chime in on how to potentially adjust them but he's probably standing in front of the cnc right now though.
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Old 07-26-2011 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fredswain
He doesn't have any Schumacher shocks that I know of. You're in luck though as I do own a pair of Schumacher big bores and can let him borrow mine to measure. Keep in mind he's backed up with current orders and still needs to design them for other manufacturers shocks as well so it may be a little while yet.
Aye sure. I'm really wondering how much difference would it make on Cougar and Cat.
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Old 07-26-2011 | 12:51 PM
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Thanx for the cover Fred! you can read my mind, im actually a little overwhelmed at the response, just canceled my racing for this weekend as it looks like i will behind the machine!

let me try to explain a few things about setup, the car will be very agile and transition quickly some will love this some may not but it will be quicker this way. Grip is increased all the way around.i found that at our hard bite track i have to run full sway bars to slow the front down a little bit but at the loose track i only run the rear bar (4w buggy). Your going to have to "wipe the slate clean " and start over with shock tuning. dropping the car off of the table does absolutely nothing, i think we all do this (i am guilty to) because we know the "feel" of what we are looking for. if you do that with these pistons it will slap the ground, just like if you took a real car and dropped it two stories! hopefully some of my testors will chime in and give their experience but in general on the bench the car will feel springy and soft but on the track it is much stiffer and more normal, you will notice that your dirt trail will stay constant and you wont hear the motor pulsing down the straights. this means the tires are staying on the ground and you are accelerating faster.
Jumping is probably the most exciting thing about them! your car will jump higher and farther than before and this can be a huge advantage at some tracks at least until the secret is out!
Oils: start light most of the setups are using 30ft 25r in low bite go up 5 in high bite. keep in mind that even if you chassis slap because of the quicker rebound it does not effect or upset the car nearly as bad as single stage pistons.

Lochness, i can ship anywhere and it will make a difference on any car, a shock is a shock!

Alter, the bottom of the piston is the same , the top is thicker but if you are bottoming out your shock something is wrong anyway, i always run shock stops to keep from bending dogbones. i also sell shock stops on the site.
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Old 07-26-2011 | 01:01 PM
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Well if it's able to improve grip in low grip conditions without sacrifice of other aspects of handling - I'm taking at least one set I certainly want to give it a go
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