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Old 11-23-2010 | 06:14 PM
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Just thought I'd let you all know that the mailman was good to me today & dropped my Clocked b5 V-2 today

Can't wait to drop it in & start the breakin

Thank You, John & Neal You guys Rock !
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Old 11-23-2010 | 07:07 PM
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Neal,

Let me know when my OS 25 shows. Hoping this week


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Old 11-23-2010 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Slimsh8t
Just thought I'd let you all know that the mailman was good to me today & dropped my Clocked b5 V-2 today

Can't wait to drop it in & start the breakin

Thank You, John & Neal You guys Rock !
Don't be sleeping with it, lol.
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Old 11-23-2010 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by deadmancourt
hey neal!....my buddy has a Hpi Savage and he wants to either build his Hpi .21 4.6 crap lol motor or get a CLOCKED motor that screams its a$$ off ....but it needs to have a roto start!....what can you do?
Clocked Picco 28 pullstart w/OFNA 086 and a 360 degree roto start back plate and he'll be blowing through spur gears with a smile on his face! I've got one and an XL and it is a hoot. I first ran the picco in the Savage X and then in the XL and they were both a blast to drive.
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Old 11-23-2010 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hambone
Don't be sleeping with it, lol.

To each their own.... lol
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Old 11-23-2010 | 09:40 PM
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Neil is Hawaii all setup on your site for purchase or do I email John need to transfer some funds into my paypal but will try to buy the B5 MOD tomorrow.
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Old 11-23-2010 | 10:06 PM
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Sites all set up with 3 options for Hawaii

Please let me know if you have any questions.
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Old 11-23-2010 | 10:15 PM
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Neal has got some MAIL.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by marshon50
Has there been a dyno done of stock B5 vs stock Speed? I know this is a modders forum, but as as Werks guy, I'm curious. My buddy just bought a clocked B5 and B6, can't wait to see them in person!!!!!
Not sure if I missed it, but any stock graphs of Werks vs Speeds?
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Old 11-24-2010 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by marshon50
Not sure if I missed it, but any stock graphs of Werks vs Speeds?
Not on the same graph, but there's the stock vs. mod on both engines. Stock vs. stock the Speed blows the B5 out of the water.

Originally Posted by Maximo


werk's b5 stock vs Mod
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After some extensive testing and tuning we have finally finished with the modified Speed XZB

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Old 11-24-2010 | 08:25 AM
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hmmmnnn.....
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Old 11-24-2010 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by marshon50
hmmmnnn.....
Here's the numbers from the B5 graph since you can't see them real well.

Stock
1.33 HP
57.91 oz/in

mod

1.84 HP
72.43 oz/in

Neal has a new V.2 mod B5 now so those mod numbers aren't current.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 09:01 AM
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here is the B6 vs Speed and B5 vs Speed...... I have had my dyno setup with both a light inertial mass and a heavy inertial mass...but due to issues with my drive gear breaking I had to retire the heavy flywheel...my original B5 testing was done on the heavier flywheel...the new testing of the engines has been done on the lighter flywheel........ The weight of my flywheel mass changes the engines curve on the graph, even with recalibrating the software the results have changed some........So now that I have settled on the lighter flywheel mass I will go back and retest all the engines I have tested..... FYI all my black dyno graphs are done with the latest dyno configuration...

Now because all the manufacturers shim their engines differently the final compression ratio's will be different...in my testing I try to equalize the compression ratio of all the engines tested...the stock XZB Speed comes with 7.9/1 compression, the stock B5 and B6 are closer to 7.3/1...by removing 1 thin head shim the B5 ends at 7.9/1 and the B6 at 8.0/1

here is dyno comparisons of the B5 vs Speed and B6 vs Speed, on my current dyno configuration and compression ratio's equalized...... For my testing it is critical to have the compression ratio's equalized, these graphs were for my own testing, but I figured I would post them anyways..


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Old 11-24-2010 | 09:13 AM
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Now I'm confused. Isn't the B5 supposed to be torquier than the B6?? Those graphs show the exact opposite.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JAMMINKRAZY
Now I'm confused. Isn't the B5 supposed to be torquier than the B6?? Those graphs show the exact opposite.
with 1 shim removed the B6 has slightly higher final compression,...that helps it with the bottom end.. i would have to trim the B5 button to make them identical....But it does appear the B6 has a little more torque on the 2013 when both engines have a shim removed.... stock shimming I do believe the B5 still has more torque...the B6 picked up pretty good with just removing a shim...
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