Sirio engines thread
#121
Originally posted by sup
how hot should sirio engines be to have an optimal/safe temp? i have a sirio .12 abc 3port non turbo. i think i have a rich setting coz i my temp does not go above 100 degrees C (average of 100 degrees centigrade, about 210 degrees farenheit).. thanks in advance guys!
how hot should sirio engines be to have an optimal/safe temp? i have a sirio .12 abc 3port non turbo. i think i have a rich setting coz i my temp does not go above 100 degrees C (average of 100 degrees centigrade, about 210 degrees farenheit).. thanks in advance guys!
Two engines of the same brand and model should not perform equally at the same temperature. Found one Sirio that refused to perform well under 120ºC temps (Sirio mills love to go slightly hotter than Nova ones) and other loved to go at 135ºC.
#123
Originally posted by Corse-R
All engines demand a different temperature to perform at full potential. Better to do carb adjustments by 'ear' and eye... seeing that in full acceleration, your car leaves by the exhaust a small trail of smoke will show you that's is healty, lean it accordingly this and don't focuse only in temperature readings.
Two engines of the same brand and model should not perform equally at the same temperature. Found one Sirio that refused to perform well under 120ºC temps (Sirio mills love to go slightly hotter than Nova ones) and other loved to go at 135ºC.
All engines demand a different temperature to perform at full potential. Better to do carb adjustments by 'ear' and eye... seeing that in full acceleration, your car leaves by the exhaust a small trail of smoke will show you that's is healty, lean it accordingly this and don't focuse only in temperature readings.
Two engines of the same brand and model should not perform equally at the same temperature. Found one Sirio that refused to perform well under 120ºC temps (Sirio mills love to go slightly hotter than Nova ones) and other loved to go at 135ºC.
This is why one of most important issue in engine's design is constraction of p/s set and takes a lot of time to get right set ups-material properties, tapering etc. Big developments and not always sucsesefull from first shot.
#124
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From: San Diego
I see that gearing down will help acceleration and the Sirio to get into it's powerband, but will top speed suffer on large tracks? Mine is a dog right now, not real happy since my OS CZ-Z out performs it so far. Runnning a legal .12 in an R40 with stock gearing, RD Logics one piece legal, and NR C6 plug, on O'donnell 20%. Getting my @_$ fed to me currently.
#126
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From: San Diego
Tks for the reply. I already have it engaging pretty late. I will try a little later. It just doesn't seem to get to full rpm. I got the 2 spd to shift after about 60-80' but sometimes it won't reach the speed to shift. If I set it to shift earlier, it also bogs down. Feels like I'm running an old Kyosho .10. With the wheels off the ground it screams. Got a 15 tooth 1st pinion and an 18t 2nd on order.
#127
Originally posted by h82crash
I see that gearing down will help acceleration and the Sirio to get into it's powerband, but will top speed suffer on large tracks? Mine is a dog right now, not real happy since my OS CZ-Z out performs it so far. Runnning a legal .12 in an R40 with stock gearing, RD Logics one piece legal, and NR C6 plug, on O'donnell 20%. Getting my @_$ fed to me currently.
I see that gearing down will help acceleration and the Sirio to get into it's powerband, but will top speed suffer on large tracks? Mine is a dog right now, not real happy since my OS CZ-Z out performs it so far. Runnning a legal .12 in an R40 with stock gearing, RD Logics one piece legal, and NR C6 plug, on O'donnell 20%. Getting my @_$ fed to me currently.
I did three things to my Sirio S12 EVO2:
First: get one shim out from the head to run with 20% nitro.
Second: I normally run my Nova based engines with 14-48 on first gear, and 17-45 on second gear. I had to go to 14-49 and 17-46 with the Sirio. (Yokomo GT4 with Neo Centax Clutch)
Third: Use Novamega 2182-TPO3 pipe at 97mm
After that I set a new track record 3 weeks ago (still unbroken)
Now what do you mean by large tracks??, How long is the main straight??
Just see what gearing are the fastest guys using at your track with Nova based engines and just go one more tooth shorter with the Sirio and try.
Hope this helps
AFM
#128
Originally posted by h82crash
Tks for the reply. I already have it engaging pretty late. I will try a little later. It just doesn't seem to get to full rpm. I got the 2 spd to shift after about 60-80' but sometimes it won't reach the speed to shift. If I set it to shift earlier, it also bogs down. Feels like I'm running an old Kyosho .10. With the wheels off the ground it screams. Got a 15 tooth 1st pinion and an 18t 2nd on order.
Tks for the reply. I already have it engaging pretty late. I will try a little later. It just doesn't seem to get to full rpm. I got the 2 spd to shift after about 60-80' but sometimes it won't reach the speed to shift. If I set it to shift earlier, it also bogs down. Feels like I'm running an old Kyosho .10. With the wheels off the ground it screams. Got a 15 tooth 1st pinion and an 18t 2nd on order.
AFM
#129
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From: San Diego
The straight is about 150'. My carb HSN is about 5 turns out and the LSN is about 2 1/3 turns out. Funny thing is, from what I've read, the LSN is even with the end of the slide. Mine is way past the end, by like 3 mm. If I back it out to even, I think the low end will be way too fat.
#130
Originally posted by h82crash
The straight is about 150'. My carb HSN is about 5 turns out and the LSN is about 2 1/3 turns out. Funny thing is, from what I've read, the LSN is even with the end of the slide. Mine is way past the end, by like 3 mm. If I back it out to even, I think the low end will be way too fat.
The straight is about 150'. My carb HSN is about 5 turns out and the LSN is about 2 1/3 turns out. Funny thing is, from what I've read, the LSN is even with the end of the slide. Mine is way past the end, by like 3 mm. If I back it out to even, I think the low end will be way too fat.
Your straight is about the same as mine (155ft), and i run my Evo2 (with the internal gear ratio of my Yokomo) at 7.0 drive ratio on first gear and 5.76 drive ratio on second gear for 63mm dia. tires allround.
To calculate what combinations you need, what you have to do, is divide the number of tooth from your spur and pinion at each speed, and multiply it by the internal gear ratio of your car, and you'll have your final drive ratio for each speed. You will have to correct one tooth up or down on your spurs according to your tire diameters.
Hope this helps
AFM
#131
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From: San Diego
Thanks for your help, AFM. R40 stock ratios are 7.263 1st and 5.734 2nd. Right in the same ball park as yours (even lower 1st).
I'll even try backing out my LSN to even and see what happens.
I'll even try backing out my LSN to even and see what happens.
Last edited by h82crash; 01-20-2004 at 10:39 PM.
#132
Originally posted by h82crash
Thanks for your help, AFM. R40 stock ratios are 7.263 1st and 5.734 2nd. Right in the same ball park as yours (even lower 1st).
I'll even try backing out my LSN to even and see what happens.
Thanks for your help, AFM. R40 stock ratios are 7.263 1st and 5.734 2nd. Right in the same ball park as yours (even lower 1st).
I'll even try backing out my LSN to even and see what happens.
Good Luck
AFM
#133
AFM is right.
Regarding the pipe. Make sure your pipe is suited to the engines power band. Choosing the wrong pipe really hurts the engine and stops it producing its full power capability.
But you have hit on something else when you mentioned backing out the low end needle. It is possible that you have set the needles too lean and are going beyond the optimum powerband range. If you reach and pass the sweet spot before the car is ready to change gear you will get the same effect that the engine is dead.
Regarding the pipe. Make sure your pipe is suited to the engines power band. Choosing the wrong pipe really hurts the engine and stops it producing its full power capability.
But you have hit on something else when you mentioned backing out the low end needle. It is possible that you have set the needles too lean and are going beyond the optimum powerband range. If you reach and pass the sweet spot before the car is ready to change gear you will get the same effect that the engine is dead.
#134
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From: San Diego
I was confused about the low end needle. I was looking again and the screw head is even with the ball end of the slide.
Isn't 97mm a very short tuning length? Shorter for top end and longer for more bottom end power, right? My RD Logic is about 150mm from the exhaust port to the baffle, and it is a short pipe. I can't imagine a pipe 30% shorter than this.
Isn't 97mm a very short tuning length? Shorter for top end and longer for more bottom end power, right? My RD Logic is about 150mm from the exhaust port to the baffle, and it is a short pipe. I can't imagine a pipe 30% shorter than this.
#135
Originally posted by h82crash
Isn't 97mm a very short tuning length? Shorter for top end and longer for more bottom end power, right? My RD Logic is about 150mm from the exhaust port to the baffle, and it is a short pipe. I can't imagine a pipe 30% shorter than this.
Isn't 97mm a very short tuning length? Shorter for top end and longer for more bottom end power, right? My RD Logic is about 150mm from the exhaust port to the baffle, and it is a short pipe. I can't imagine a pipe 30% shorter than this.
I use the RB method and it has proven me good results, at least with Nova (non-in-line based pipes). I don't like very much in-line pipes , because they are supposedly tuned for the best...but leave you no tuning options. Go to following link to see what i mean when I say 97mm.
www.rbproducts.com/rbww/pipe...ifoldlength.htm
It tells you how to measure that lenght, and in their pipe product description it tells you the min. and max. lenght suggested for each pipe.
AFM



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