It was fine except for the 180 at the end of the straightaway. Other then that it was really fun. If we could make a sweeper at the end of the straight it would be a really good layout.

VEGAS BABY! thats a great lay-out. personally i like changing the track each week, but either way is ok with me.

we could put the paris kink into the layout to wreak havok on the front suspension.

on a side note, i think i found a way to stuff a larger battery into the jrxs-r. i'm thinkin 5000 mah w/ 11.1v lipos. on second thought, maybe the paris kink is not such a great idea......

mario/ i'll give you a jingle today....

Art-I was thinking if we set-up carousels/keyholes at all the 180's that Lincoln layout would be great for our set-up.


Rev-I would like to scale up a Vegas layout for the 22nd no paris kink

REV I'd vote for Vegas with the Paris "Pork Chop" I believe!! I always did well on this track, now if we could just lay down the VHT and show the racers around here what REAL traction is like!!

the one thing i dislike about the lincon layout is the 180 at the end of the straight. i will not vote for a track that that has a 180 off. with the length of our straight, we need a low speed entry, and a high speed exit. that is my opinion.

i have very strong feelings on this.

Here is the layout from Vegas with the "Paris Pork Chop" This should meet the Al Dente Sweeper OFF request!

Good morning all,

I was looking at some of the large national race event tracks last night like; IIC 2007, Snowbirds 2008, ROAR Nats 2008, and Fireball 2008 (RRacerRuss1 suggeston) and decided to scribble a few of them out. I also knocked out a few of my own just for the heck of it. There's nothing wrong with the last track we raced on, these are just some other options. For those interested post your votes and I'll tally them, posting results on 6-20.

I agree with al dente, this is a high speed track and we cannot have a sharp turn coming off the straight.

Most of these designs use al dente's suggestion for low speed start on to the straight with a gradually slowing high speed sweeper like we've been racing with already.

Brent K.

I'm curious about the reasoning behind this sentiment. Braking is an equal (if not MORE than equal) test of driving than acceleration and top speed. There is a reason that on any successful racecar the brakes are more powerful than the engine. I'd also go so far as to say that in "real" racing being able to consistently judge braking is one of the things that separates the pros from the weekend hacks. 'Least that's what Keith Code (motorcycle racing coach/guru) told his students for years when I was working for him.

Of course, my favorite for the end of a long straight is a decreasing radius turn...forcing you to brake (or at least progressively scrub off speed) while turning.

Good point Scottrik, but the thought of traction rolling or slamming the wall at 40-80 miles hours is so exhilarating.

Yeah, but those issues are driver...not track.

Of the tracks you guys have come up with so far, I like Grenade's "Vegas Pork Chop" track and the "Brent K D5".

scott - i agree aboput the braking thing in racing. only problem is when you get a bunch of cuys coming down a 200 ft long straight, then jabing the binders, you tend to see alot of cars going alot of diferent directions. especially on asphalt, where traction is sketchy to start with. it is not good for the racers or the spectators to have a pile up in first corner every lap, and the anouncer gets tired of saying "watch the end of the straight.

if you like to use the breaks, then have a more technical infeild.

And if you actually slow down to take the turn properly, the guys behind you drive it in hard and run up your backside. So you basically have to blow the turn to avoid being taken out. I brake all over the place in asphalt racing, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing in every situation.

Yes and yes...but both situations related are still DRIVER issues. If someone drives up someone's a$$ into the first turn the race director needs to "man up" and dish out penalties. I'd say restart and the offender(s) starts at the back of the pack 5 (or even 10 on your big tracks) seconds after the pack starts. If the penalty for being a bozo is high enough you get fewer bozos--I think the t-shirt says "being stupid should hurt".

By compromising the design of the track to account for bozos you're designing to least common denominator and thus dumbing-down the challenge for everybody.

I guess I don't see avoiding a 180 at the end of the long straight as a compromise so much as just proper track design. I see what you're saying, though. It actually takes a lot of skill and patience and time to realize that driving hard until the very end of a turn isn't always the right decision, especially in low traction. I'd say a majority of guys do it. Also, the track is SO large, it's sometimes hard to gauge where you should start lifting, so people are often blowing that turn, 'cause by the time you see it, it's too late.