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Old 09-05-2019 | 10:17 PM
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Thank You jifx car audio. Issue is clearer now with your input. Gotta sit down and figure where I'm going to go from here. Probably will just run VTA. Pretty sure the Club will waive some requirements unless they are hosting a sanctioned event. Once again your quick reply is greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-08-2019 | 01:38 AM
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I have been in to RC racing and collecting since 1984. My willingness to participate in racing has dwindled over the years due to lack of parody and an uneven playing field for anyone participating in a hobby to have fun.

VTA, was supposed to be a cheap sportsman class for newbies, old timers and for people like me who just wanted to club race with a chance to eek out a win from time to time or at best get 3rd or 4th out of a good turn out of 18 entrees or more. While winning is nice, the latter is more satisfying due to the better turnout, winning with only two or three other Cars is no big deal and makes for a boring club night.

With that said, USGT has my attention due to the release of this spec motor and it being the only one allowed. My concern is at the club level it will never fly against my hopes and wishes. VTA is the class many gravitated to when it was NOVAK motor only, sooner or later everyone was on same page as where to time and gear the motor and driving ruled supreme, while luck and staying clean were very important. Now, like in USGT it’s about speed and staying on top of what is the hot motor to have.

What happened to cool paint jobs, nice looking chassis with clean wiring, nice hop ups and generally showing up to having fun and showing off your ride enjoying time with your friends?

I love RC, always will, here is my question and dilemma.

It sure seems like it would be easier if the sanctioning body (whoever it is, ROAR?) would only approve 17.5’s, 21.5’s, 25.5’s, etc motors that were all the same (weight, rotor, etc) and disallow tuned, special edition, team motors, etc to be allowed.

Many have come and gone over the years but I know a big percentage of those who decided to quit were due to the lack of parity and level playing field. Anywhere I’ve raced we all knew who could wheel around a toy car the best, but so many times you’d see those certain couple of people who exploit the rules put the track owner and director in a bad spot who ultimately makes the right call to late to see another batch of people pack it in or get convinced to join another class to only endure the same thing then never see them again.

What is it about toy cars that make some people compelled to spends countless hours in tuning, working in the grey area, spending hundreds to thousands of dollars to win at something that rewards nothing of monetary gain? Fellowship and fun is the only thing building, collecting and racing toy cars should be about, it is the reason I got in to it in the first place, racing to me as part of the hobby has become secondary, there aren’t enough rules in place or anyone to enforce and tech to keep me coming back every week, the spec motor that is being mentioned on this thread for USGT would help.
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Old 09-08-2019 | 05:30 AM
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What is it about toy cars that make some people compelled to spends countless hours in tuning, working in the grey area, spending hundreds to thousands of dollars to win at something that rewards nothing of monetary gain?
It's called human nature! The desire to win, to be the best, to excel. It's in every sport, hobby, and endeavor. It was just as present 20 years ago as it is today. Like you I'm in it for the fun since I'm older, however I do want to win, just not at any cost like some others. I see it at every race and every club - the guys who are in it to win it! I expect it though (it's racing!) so it's no big deal to me. It's naive to think that you can compete in racing at ANY level (even with toy cars) without encountering competitors with a strong desire win.

Fellowship and fun is the only thing building, collecting and racing toy cars should be about...
Gotta disagree with you here sir. That's just a silly thing to say about a hobby that is built around scale automobile racing! Fellowship and fun a certainly a big part of it but not always and not for everyone. You just do your thing and let others do theirs and in between is the happy medium that we all must find if you want to continue to enjoy the hobby. Otherwise, scale model building is probably a better hobby for those of us who no longer want to compete.
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Old 09-08-2019 | 12:07 PM
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Level playing field ? Hmm maybe the NFL and NBA should do the same , set a height and weight for all players sl there isn’t a size or height advantage over the other team so everyone has the opportunity to compete and win lol(insert what ever size of sarcasm here***)
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Old 09-08-2019 | 01:40 PM
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Marcos J and JC3, if you read my complete post, at the end of it you will see that I’m encouraged for myself and others to see the USGT spec motor.

In professional sports there are millions of dollars at stake, We race RC cars but they are not real race cars, they are based in a hobby where you race a toy car for nothing but fun with ZERO monetary gain like a video game only interactive with friends. NOBODY will EVER recoup they’re money in the hobby of RC Racing, if there was a chance you would see multiple RC tracks in every city, not the struggling one or two per state we are lucky to have. Gauging myself in a hobby where I can’t get hurt is a far cry from a defensive lineman blasting a qb or a center neary taking the head off of a guard trying to make a layup let alone going 200mph at the Indy 500 with the risk of death at every corner.

Today, one must try to be careful in hopes to not offend or upset anyone due to so many looking for anything to be offended by or picking and choosing what they read to support their own ideas and agenda. I was merely trying to say kudos to the USGT people for going to a spec 21.5 in 2020 and thought it would be good idea for each class like VTA and so on. Anything to lower cost, narrow the gab and level the playing field for everyone and in turn hopefully raising the entry count which helps the hobby shop attached to track make money so they can keep the doors open I see only as a good thing.

Good day to you two and all. I hope whatever you do brings joy and makes other people want to be around and participate in a hobby that I have enjoyed for over 30 years and counting. I love RC and all my pals at Indy RC in Indianapolis, IN.
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Old 09-08-2019 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OttoKrosse
I sure hope this takes off, would be nice to end the motor of the month club.
Racers will buy multiple stator’s and rotors which are available so they can build the ultimate spec motor to be fast
So, if you think you’re saving money.. be prepared
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Old 09-08-2019 | 07:05 PM
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People have been doing this for the TCS for years now, buy ten of the same motor, keep the best one and sell the rest. It will be the same for the usgt spec motor.
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Old 09-08-2019 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopscotch
People have been doing this for the TCS for years now, buy ten of the same motor, keep the best one and sell the rest. It will be the same for the usgt spec motor.
and at the end of the day, one tap and it doesn’t matter
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Old 09-09-2019 | 04:59 AM
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and at the end of the day, one tap and it doesn’t matter
It should say THIS on the bottom of EVERY hobby shop receipt!!
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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Sodano




Racers will buy multiple stator’s and rotors which are available so they can build the ultimate spec motor to be fast
So, if you think you’re saving money.. be prepared
but you realize how close all the specs are right ?
No human can capitalize with the best rotor /stator /sensor boards all gathered together in one car to produce a win on the track .
If you feel that you can by all means make Paul smile by buying 100s of them to pick and choose your best .
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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sps3172
It should say THIS on the bottom of EVERY hobby shop receipt!!
it’s so easy to get sucked into this or that. At the end of the day, ESPECIALLY in spec motor racing, consistency is key.

I really hope this motor thing sticks. I’m curious to see the performance/quality. But there are things I liked about Canam. And things I like about this program too. Hopefully most big races and local tracks get in the same page.

Getting ready for the Southern nats has reminded me how much motor/timing/gearing has taken away from what I should be focused on. (Chassis setup and running laps)

While were on the subject, I haven’t seen a mention of gearing. Am I to assume the idea is spec motor, fixed timing, but you can still decide what gearing to run?
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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:07 AM
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it’s so easy to get sucked into this or that. At the end of the day, ESPECIALLY in spec motor racing, consistency is key.

I really hope this motor thing sticks. I’m curious to see the performance/quality. But there are things I liked about Canam. And things I like about this program too. Hopefully most big races and local tracks get in the same page.

Getting ready for the Southern nats has reminded me how much motor/timing/gearing has taken away from what I should be focused on. (Chassis setup and running laps)

While were on the subject, I haven’t seen a mention of gearing. Am I to assume the idea is spec motor, fixed timing, but you can still decide what gearing to run?
correct open gearing
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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio

correct open gearing
cool, that should be a nice happy medium.
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Old 09-09-2019 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio

but you realize how close all the specs are right ?
No human can capitalize with the best rotor /stator /sensor boards all gathered together in one car to produce a win on the track .
If you feel that you can by all means make Paul smile by buying 100s of them to pick and choose your best .
You'd think so, but when 10ths or even hundredths of a second matter people will do it. I'm not sure about RC motors, but on real cars blueprinting can be significant in stock/spec classes.

If you really want fair racing over time, they should start a handicapping system like they have in some full scale series. You win you get more weight. Maybe break it down by driver/chassis/body if there is enough data to do so. Its not perfect, but at least its self correcting.
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Old 09-09-2019 | 09:53 AM
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In the end it will not matter what the motor rule is. The best driver will always win (unless he breaks). When I say the best driver, I am talking about a driver who knows how to set their car up, practices often, and maintains their car well.

Whatvi I like about the spec motor is that it will give people like me to work on setting the car up and driving, which will make a day at the track more enjoyable. It will also (hopefully) increase the car counts which will group like racer together with more heats making the actual racing more fun for those who will never be the top driver or want to be the top driver.

i can’t wait till this is in place. If the racing is as close as the 21.5 TC class was when it went to the spec motor in our area this class will be revitalized and more fun than ever.
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