Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Nitro Off-Road > Offroad Nitro Engine Forum
OS FS26S-C 4-stroke development >

OS FS26S-C 4-stroke development

Community
Wiki Posts
Search
Like Tree69Likes

OS FS26S-C 4-stroke development

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-27-2019 | 12:18 PM
  #1921  
fyrstormer's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 8,054
From: Virginia, Near DC, USA
Default

A bit of progress:





fyrstormer is offline  
Old 03-27-2019 | 01:35 PM
  #1922  
timjs's Avatar
Tech Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 746
Default

Does the rear arm clear the engine? Nice job so far
timjs is offline  
Old 03-28-2019 | 01:14 AM
  #1923  
fyrstormer's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 8,054
From: Virginia, Near DC, USA
Default

The suspension bottoms-out just before the upper arm hits the pullstarter. If I can make an adapter plate to attach the Traxxas EZ-Start, that will give me a few more precious millimeters to work with. I may also be able to use a front-left upper arm on the rear, which would give me even more room to work with.

Also, I discovered the HPI T3.0 spiral carb will fit this engine without modifications, and it has a nearly-identical throat diameter too. So there's my solution for fitting a 2-needle carb to this engine for better tuning.

I wish I could make solid engine mounts rather than using standoff posts, but I would need a drill press to make my own engine mounts, and I don't have the space for a tool that bulky.
fyrstormer is offline  
Old 03-28-2019 | 03:44 AM
  #1924  
timjs's Avatar
Tech Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 746
Default

The posts should be fine. But, the chassis will flex, chewing up your spur gear unless you triangulate the setup somehow. Maybe another piece of metal from the "passenger side" engine mounting lug, to somewhere else on the chassis. The Revos are known for flex on that section of the chassis even WITH the stock mount which is braced from underneath.
timjs is offline  
Old 03-28-2019 | 10:33 AM
  #1925  
Tech Rookie
 
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 4
Default

Originally Posted by timjs
60-70 size 4 stroke are dimensionally similar already due to lack of a big cooling head.
CNC or manual machines?
CNC mostly. Ive done progamming and some cad.
dhudson is offline  
Old 03-28-2019 | 11:53 AM
  #1926  
fyrstormer's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 8,054
From: Virginia, Near DC, USA
Default

Originally Posted by timjs
The posts should be fine. But, the chassis will flex, chewing up your spur gear unless you triangulate the setup somehow. Maybe another piece of metal from the "passenger side" engine mounting lug, to somewhere else on the chassis. The Revos are known for flex on that section of the chassis even WITH the stock mount which is braced from underneath.
Good to know, but it's worth noting that unlike the stock motor mount, my flat-plate adapter anchors both of the support brackets together with four screws. The stock motor mount only has one screw and one pivot-pin, and that one screw just pinches the pivoting motor mount between the two support brackets, rather than bolting solidly to each of the support brackets in multiple places. At this point I'm not too worried about flex...though I will let reality prove me wrong if it will.
fyrstormer is offline  
Old 03-28-2019 | 04:14 PM
  #1927  
timjs's Avatar
Tech Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 746
Default

Originally Posted by dhudson
CNC mostly. Ive done progamming and some cad.
Well, are you seriously able to make parts? A couple others have come before with access to the equipment but nothing ever really came of it.
Originally Posted by fyrstormer
Good to know, but it's worth noting that unlike the stock motor mount, my flat-plate adapter anchors both of the support brackets together with four screws. The stock motor mount only has one screw and one pivot-pin, and that one screw just pinches the pivoting motor mount between the two support brackets, rather than bolting solidly to each of the support brackets in multiple places. At this point I'm not too worried about flex...though I will let reality prove me wrong if it will.
Looking forward to seeing that beast run! Got any kind of ETA on that?
timjs is offline  
Old 03-28-2019 | 06:22 PM
  #1928  
Tech Rookie
 
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 4
Default

Originally Posted by timjs
Well, are you seriously able to make parts? A couple others have come before with access to the equipment but nothing ever really came of it.

Looking forward to seeing that beast run! Got any kind of ETA on that?
yes. Either I can make them or a friend of mine could that runs a job shop out his house. I really wanna design an engine from scratch. I have everything for the most part written down as far as parameters I want in an engine. I been researching a lot of model 4 stroke engines, even as to buy a book which I think is the Bible of model 4 stroke engines.
dhudson is offline  
Old 03-29-2019 | 03:59 AM
  #1929  
timjs's Avatar
Tech Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 746
Default

An overhead cam design driven by a belt would be the easiest to design as well as the best for high rpm operation. Less mass in the valvetrain.
So far, my O.S. Fs62-v is maxxing out around 20,000 rpm, and I'm sure it's just reached some fundamental limit because it will not go further.
timjs is offline  
Old 03-29-2019 | 05:15 AM
  #1930  
Tech Fanatic
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 805
Default

Originally Posted by timjs
An overhead cam design driven by a belt would be the easiest to design as well as the best for high rpm operation. Less mass in the valvetrain.
So far, my O.S. Fs62-v is maxxing out around 20,000 rpm, and I'm sure it's just reached some fundamental limit because it will not go further.
I agree that an OHC or DOHC design would be best, it might create some additional problems on some parts but also make other things possible.
A pent roof design with either buckets or followers should work, that might give the possibility to run 2 intake valves, with the glow plug positioned well and have good squish pads.
The big problem is getting the cam(s) good, that is super critical for rpm. The other thing needed to make power at high rpm (and not just over rev it) is getting the intake and exhaust right, and that will probably be a problem to fit under most bodies.
But problems are made to be solved!
NitroVein is offline  
Old 03-29-2019 | 06:59 AM
  #1931  
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 834
Default

I’ve followed this thread on and off for awhile and have considered doing a 4-stroke build myself. I have a line on an LST XXL2 chassis that is build around a 4-stroke engine. I have an Enya .46 and an Enya .60 at my disposal - with the .46 probably being the one I use due to its smaller size and similar power to the .60. I think the LST driveline is more than strong enough to handle the power, but starting the engine will likely be my biggest issue since there is no possibility of using an electric or pull starter on it. I don’t even think I could make my bump box work unless the flywheel is huge.
RCTecher12 is offline  
Old 03-29-2019 | 07:13 AM
  #1932  
Tech Rookie
 
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 4
Default

Originally Posted by timjs
An overhead cam design driven by a belt would be the easiest to design as well as the best for high rpm operation. Less mass in the valvetrain.
So far, my O.S. Fs62-v is maxxing out around 20,000 rpm, and I'm sure it's just reached some fundamental limit because it will not go further.
thats what i plan on doing just cause its easier to design and produce. The biggest obstacle is designing a head thatll fit everything and allow for good design practice.
dhudson is offline  
Old 03-29-2019 | 10:11 AM
  #1933  
timjs's Avatar
Tech Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 746
Default

Originally Posted by NitroVein
I agree that an OHC or DOHC design would be best, it might create some additional problems on some parts but also make other things possible.
A pent roof design with either buckets or followers should work, that might give the possibility to run 2 intake valves, with the glow plug positioned well and have good squish pads.
The big problem is getting the cam(s) good, that is super critical for rpm. The other thing needed to make power at high rpm (and not just over rev it) is getting the intake and exhaust right, and that will probably be a problem to fit under most bodies.
But problems are made to be solved!
The biggest bumps in power Ive found are from a free flowing exhaust. My most power yet is from a 2 stroke pipe actually. Also way quieter. Ive got a car cam from speedworks, havent tried it just yet.
Originally Posted by SlowLST2
I’ve followed this thread on and off for awhile and have considered doing a 4-stroke build myself. I have a line on an LST XXL2 chassis that is build around a 4-stroke engine. I have an Enya .46 and an Enya .60 at my disposal - with the .46 probably being the one I use due to its smaller size and similar power to the .60. I think the LST driveline is more than strong enough to handle the power, but starting the engine will likely be my biggest issue since there is no possibility of using an electric or pull starter on it. I don’t even think I could make my bump box work unless the flywheel is huge.
Well, a huge flywheel is a necessity anyways if you dont want to idle at 10k rpm. Also from what Ive seen and experienced so far with the thumpers, anything smaller than a 50-60 will leave you a little disappointed. My Losi 8ight-T with my 62 on it outruns the 2 stroke it came with in acceleration AND top speed but compared side by side with a .52, theres a noticable difference in power. Displacement is a big deal for these things. Ive never had a 40sc, but I probably wouldnt even waste my time on one knowing what I know now.
Originally Posted by dhudson
thats what i plan on doing just cause its easier to design and produce. The biggest obstacle is designing a head thatll fit everything and allow for good design practice.
Well keep the thread updated if you make progress.
timjs is offline  
Old 03-29-2019 | 11:35 AM
  #1934  
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 834
Default

For the handy, you could always convert an existing 2-stroke into a 4-stroke if you have the ability and tools to make a few parts.

RCTecher12 is offline  
Old 03-29-2019 | 12:50 PM
  #1935  
timjs's Avatar
Tech Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 746
Default

Now that's pretty slick right there. That video was just uploaded a couple days ago, too.
timjs is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.