6563LikesUSGT
11-12-2018 | 01:48 PM
#8056
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 8,405
I know some companies could have tried to represent certain brands more accurately but nobody is perfect. If it is approved and you don't like the looks, just buy the approved bodies you like: no need to bash anybody's product here......
11-12-2018 | 03:56 PM
#8062
I'll put numbers on it to keep it easy for ya...
1) USGT created to provide an intermediate step between too fast (and ugly as sin) TC and (some argue) too slow VTA (which look cool as hell). ORIGINAL class rules did not have a body list...merely a description of what would be a desirable body as-envisioned by the class creators. Those same rules also stated that any offset or style of wheel that would accommodate the spec tire (HPI X-Pattern at that time). Idea was to create a class that was fun to drive and encourage a great diversity of great looking cars on the track.
2) RACERS who wish to win at any cost (as opposed to lower-case racers, like myself, who put the premium on having fun and a "real" aesthetic) showed up and, apparently, started cheating. First it was playing games with inserts, etc., Then bodies started deviating from acceptable standards. The rules still leave the wheels open, but bigger events (at least the ones I've attended) require the Ride pre-mount tires be used (in fact at MHIC they require tires be purchased at the event). Then an "approved body list" showed up.
Easy?
1) USGT created to provide an intermediate step between too fast (and ugly as sin) TC and (some argue) too slow VTA (which look cool as hell). ORIGINAL class rules did not have a body list...merely a description of what would be a desirable body as-envisioned by the class creators. Those same rules also stated that any offset or style of wheel that would accommodate the spec tire (HPI X-Pattern at that time). Idea was to create a class that was fun to drive and encourage a great diversity of great looking cars on the track.
2) RACERS who wish to win at any cost (as opposed to lower-case racers, like myself, who put the premium on having fun and a "real" aesthetic) showed up and, apparently, started cheating. First it was playing games with inserts, etc., Then bodies started deviating from acceptable standards. The rules still leave the wheels open, but bigger events (at least the ones I've attended) require the Ride pre-mount tires be used (in fact at MHIC they require tires be purchased at the event). Then an "approved body list" showed up.
Easy?
11-12-2018 | 04:37 PM
#8063
OK. It would seem that I am in agreement with you. For the most part. On the full scale side though there have been great strides forward in the overall classification of GT cars World wide which opens the door for the droopers among us that think a Civic with a venetian blind wing on it is a viable as well as beautiful "GT" car because they compete in the JTCG or whatever it is as opposed to the old yet still widely accepted GT standard for the US or the European versions of GT cars that are produced over there. The Datsun example you presented(very nice by the way) was a "C" production car that competed in the SCCA. It wasn't until IMSA came along that it was recognized as a GTU car since it fit in the under 2.5 liter requirement of the day.
It isn't my choice but if it were I think I could fix it by simply stating that USGT stands for GT cars that have competed or are competing in a GT class here in the US. In other words if you don't see it competing in a televised series on American soil then you can't run it in any "officially" sanctioned USGT race. As always, track operators have the final say for their own facilities as long as it isn't a sanctioned event.
As for the tires, since there is no way to enforce the insert rule, I don't think requiring tires for sanctioned events to be purchased at the event is unreasonable. I understand the cosmetics aspect but if you watch a televised event you will be hard pressed to find an assortment of cosmetically pleasing wheels throughout the field.
It isn't my choice but if it were I think I could fix it by simply stating that USGT stands for GT cars that have competed or are competing in a GT class here in the US. In other words if you don't see it competing in a televised series on American soil then you can't run it in any "officially" sanctioned USGT race. As always, track operators have the final say for their own facilities as long as it isn't a sanctioned event.
As for the tires, since there is no way to enforce the insert rule, I don't think requiring tires for sanctioned events to be purchased at the event is unreasonable. I understand the cosmetics aspect but if you watch a televised event you will be hard pressed to find an assortment of cosmetically pleasing wheels throughout the field.
11-12-2018 | 04:57 PM
#8064
11-12-2018 | 05:19 PM
#8065
@Scottrik,
I get what you’re saying.. I’ve written similar points to yours couple of dozen pages back. Unfortunately the RCGT ship sank to the bottom of the ocean and USGT while similar is a different animal.
The majority prefer to run, bodies designed for handling vs scale realism and then there is the minority of us that still run real GT bodies. So we are out numbered.
So run the body that pleases you and enjoy the class.
I get what you’re saying.. I’ve written similar points to yours couple of dozen pages back. Unfortunately the RCGT ship sank to the bottom of the ocean and USGT while similar is a different animal.
The majority prefer to run, bodies designed for handling vs scale realism and then there is the minority of us that still run real GT bodies. So we are out numbered.
So run the body that pleases you and enjoy the class.
11-13-2018 | 06:12 AM
#8067
how was you USVTA/USGT racing this past weekend?.... post it up.
our results are here APEX Raceway and Hobbies :: Sunday Onroad :: LiveRC
Thanks #ApexVtaMafia #USVTANation
our results are here APEX Raceway and Hobbies :: Sunday Onroad :: LiveRC
Thanks #ApexVtaMafia #USVTANation
