Tamiya mini cooper
Hi, firstly I'm new to RC and currently have no car (Thinking about 1/10 touring or minis)
But my question for the m05 is do the 3 different wheelbases impact the way it races much or is it mainly just for different bodies?
Again I haven't decided touring or minis but I will be racing on asphalt during summer, indoor carpet during winter and wondered what wheelbase was the best for both situations. If there was one that is.
Again sorry I do not own the car but it would be nice to know what people are running.
Thanks
But my question for the m05 is do the 3 different wheelbases impact the way it races much or is it mainly just for different bodies?
Again I haven't decided touring or minis but I will be racing on asphalt during summer, indoor carpet during winter and wondered what wheelbase was the best for both situations. If there was one that is.
Again sorry I do not own the car but it would be nice to know what people are running.
Thanks
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So far I've ordered the HK Cooper body, ESC, servo and motor for my Mini. Plenty enough to drive around with, wouldn't you say?
May have to wait until the end of the month to get the car itself, but at least I can simply walk in to the local store and walk out with it, no need to wait for an order to arrive. Though with bad luck the motor might take quite some time to arrive, as it is coming from China. So I might have a motorless car for a while. I just hope it arrives within 3,5 weeks so I can attend a race with the car and completely embarrass myself
May have to wait until the end of the month to get the car itself, but at least I can simply walk in to the local store and walk out with it, no need to wait for an order to arrive. Though with bad luck the motor might take quite some time to arrive, as it is coming from China. So I might have a motorless car for a while. I just hope it arrives within 3,5 weeks so I can attend a race with the car and completely embarrass myself
Dug through some Engineering papers I had on my computer. Here is what I was taught about Anti Squat. "Anti-Squat is a suspension characteristic that can be introduced in the rear suspension to reduce the amount of suspension compression travel during acceleration. This only applies to cars that are either 4WD or RWD; no anti-squat system can be implemented on a FWD car. This is because, in its action of reducing the amount of compressive suspension travel (or squatting in the rear) during acceleration, it uses the traction force that the driving wheels develop. " Can you get Anti-Lift on the M07?
I acknowledge every example of RWD and 4WD anti-squat techniques and phenomenon, but they all include the exact same principle I outlined above while including more fun features that aren't possible on FWD applications. But to say that anti-squat can't be used on FWD is old thinking.
Now change the angle of the rear inner hingepin so that it points directly at the CoG. When the CoG tries to slosh backwards and push the rear suspension down (squat), it won't be able to because its force is attempting to push directly through the inner hingepins that are pointing directly at it. That's 100% anti-squat. No driven wheels required.
This is exactly the opposite of what is needed for anti-squat to work. It's also a very small force, since the weight of the tire is small in comparison to the entire car.
All of this brings me back to my statement that started the discussion: you can arrange the suspension arms however you want, you can even call it "anti-squat", but no anti-squat forces are being generated if the wheel is not driven.
I will comment no more, as I think everyone has become bored with the subject.
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From: Finland
By the way, does the M-05 V2 R not have an aluminum steering link? Product info doesn't mention it and the manual didn't seem to either. I know a black anodized steering link does exist because there is one in the "Tamiya 84407 M-05 Ver.II Aluminium Parts Set (Black Anodized)" hop-up set. Outside of that set it doesn't exist in black as an aftermarket option, so it seems odd of it is not included with the car kit. And it seems like on part that with many cars seems to be a common upgrade to make, kinda lame if they simply skimped out on it here.
I had the Willy Wonka. Chocolate, chocolate, chocolate, etc....anyway, finally buttoned up the M07. Finally get to run it next week. The M07 S isn’t progressing so well. Got some epoxy specifically made for plastics, but it’s not sticking. Work in progress.
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Well, turns out I couldn't wait and got the M-05 V2 R kit already. But I must say my first impressions aren't that great. Even though I had looked at the part list and also briefly at the manual, it still seems there's less aluminum overall than I somehow expected. And the plastic... doesn't inspire confidence. I'm only at step 6, and as I was screwing in the king pin to the front upright, the damn upright cracked from that side well before the screw was even all the way down (and I noticed that apparently you can't even screw them all the way down... at least not without inviting more chance of cracking). Not sure how long it'll last in use, and according to the above posts epoxy-ing it won't work either. Sigh
Does even modeling glue have any effect? Although since it's not particularly strong, I suppose it wouldn't help too much with longevity.
This isn't what I'd call a cheap kit, and especially coming from the offroad side of things this kind of plastic just seems... cheap and crappy
And of course, aluminum uprights cost a relative fortune and are NOT available in black, the all-black look being one reason I went for the R. Is the M-07 plastic better? Not that it'd help me at this point.
Oh well. Hopefully no more setbacks...
The rant aside, tires question. For indoor carpet, do the 53215 slicks have more grip than the 50683 radials? These two are the allowed options in the race class I'm participating in, in addition to reinforced slicks which to my understanding are mainly for outdoors? I kinda assumed they would have more grip, being slicks, but after dry-mounting them and thinking on it again I then I realized I don't know what type of rubber either of them are and so on. The radials obviously look a lot nicer, so if the grip is at least as good as the slicks, they'd be nicer to have (although I have to use this set of slicks first anyway since I already bought 'em, I guess).
Does even modeling glue have any effect? Although since it's not particularly strong, I suppose it wouldn't help too much with longevity.This isn't what I'd call a cheap kit, and especially coming from the offroad side of things this kind of plastic just seems... cheap and crappy
And of course, aluminum uprights cost a relative fortune and are NOT available in black, the all-black look being one reason I went for the R. Is the M-07 plastic better? Not that it'd help me at this point.Oh well. Hopefully no more setbacks...
The rant aside, tires question. For indoor carpet, do the 53215 slicks have more grip than the 50683 radials? These two are the allowed options in the race class I'm participating in, in addition to reinforced slicks which to my understanding are mainly for outdoors? I kinda assumed they would have more grip, being slicks, but after dry-mounting them and thinking on it again I then I realized I don't know what type of rubber either of them are and so on. The radials obviously look a lot nicer, so if the grip is at least as good as the slicks, they'd be nicer to have (although I have to use this set of slicks first anyway since I already bought 'em, I guess).
Well, turns out I couldn't wait and got the M-05 V2 R kit already. But I must say my first impressions aren't that great. Even though I had looked at the part list and also briefly at the manual, it still seems there's less aluminum overall than I somehow expected. And the plastic... doesn't inspire confidence. I'm only at step 6, and as I was screwing in the king pin to the front upright, the damn upright cracked from that side well before the screw was even all the way down (and I noticed that apparently you can't even screw them all the way down... at least not without inviting more chance of cracking). Not sure how long it'll last in use, and according to the above posts epoxy-ing it won't work either. Sigh
Does even modeling glue have any effect? Although since it's not particularly strong, I suppose it wouldn't help too much with longevity.
This isn't what I'd call a cheap kit, and especially coming from the offroad side of things this kind of plastic just seems... cheap and crappy
And of course, aluminum uprights cost a relative fortune and are NOT available in black, the all-black look being one reason I went for the R. Is the M-07 plastic better? Not that it'd help me at this point.
Oh well. Hopefully no more setbacks...
The rant aside, tires question. For indoor carpet, do the 53215 slicks have more grip than the 50683 radials? These two are the allowed options in the race class I'm participating in, in addition to reinforced slicks which to my understanding are mainly for outdoors? I kinda assumed they would have more grip, being slicks, but after dry-mounting them and thinking on it again I then I realized I don't know what type of rubber either of them are and so on. The radials obviously look a lot nicer, so if the grip is at least as good as the slicks, they'd be nicer to have (although I have to use this set of slicks first anyway since I already bought 'em, I guess).
Does even modeling glue have any effect? Although since it's not particularly strong, I suppose it wouldn't help too much with longevity.This isn't what I'd call a cheap kit, and especially coming from the offroad side of things this kind of plastic just seems... cheap and crappy
And of course, aluminum uprights cost a relative fortune and are NOT available in black, the all-black look being one reason I went for the R. Is the M-07 plastic better? Not that it'd help me at this point.Oh well. Hopefully no more setbacks...
The rant aside, tires question. For indoor carpet, do the 53215 slicks have more grip than the 50683 radials? These two are the allowed options in the race class I'm participating in, in addition to reinforced slicks which to my understanding are mainly for outdoors? I kinda assumed they would have more grip, being slicks, but after dry-mounting them and thinking on it again I then I realized I don't know what type of rubber either of them are and so on. The radials obviously look a lot nicer, so if the grip is at least as good as the slicks, they'd be nicer to have (although I have to use this set of slicks first anyway since I already bought 'em, I guess).
The one plastic part on that kit that really needs to be alloy in my opinion is the steering link between the two bellcranks. It's so flimsy. I couldn't find a black one so I'm still using the plastic.
M07 plastics are quite different. Much stiffer but the front knuckles are much more likely to break in a crash.



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