It may remove so much of the cheating, but certainly won't help with costs as it turns into a 'must have' combo situation

Outlaw motors have a lot more punch more than you can use. Driver skill plays a much bigger role rather that having the best motor but motor wars are still there.

http://www.jmrca.jp/motor/2015/motor2015.htm

Looks like the 2015 list for 21.5 motors doesn't list some of the motors you mentioned. Almost everything on the 2015 JMRCA approved 21.5 motor list is a ROAR motor.

Yes, the 2015 list doesn't mention those motors. However, the 2014 and 2013 do. If I'm right, motors released 3 years ago can be used in current JMRCA events.

Thanks for the clarification!

I just looked and it seems that the 2012 - 2015 motors can be used for the 2015 season.

Any time ! The tabs (years) highlighted with a yellow backdrop are motors allowed in JMRCA events. However, if you are attending AOC I would highly suggest speaking with Scotty about motor regulations. He does have a motor list up on the AOC page. The AOC does cater to "local" racing classes and regulations. You'll have to double check with him about what they are exactly.

Yeah it's normally local rules.
Two years ago when we went a few of us got done for batteries over 4000mah in the F1 class. As Scotty and the organisers failed to mention this, Yatabe lent us all a 3500 pack to compete.

IF there are NO rules then you can't cheat - true enough, but it doesn't solve issues of cost at all.

agree even though motor rules open up wont stop someone spending money to buy a custom built motor to therefore still gain any little advantage they can get over a mass production motor

My previous post answers this.

I know you THINK it does, but not really. The rules are there for a purpose and the governing bodies play a huge role in attempting to balance this sport. Outlaw solves nothing and creates chaos for manufacturers, retailers and the hobbyist.

I'm just curious to know if you've attend any racing events that allow outlaw motors? Have you done it yourself? How do you know that it causes chaos for manufactures, retailers, and racers?

Outlaw motors were created by motor manufactures, I doubt it creates chaos for them more likely additional profit.

I think we would be better off without the smaller ID stators as used in outlaw motors and modified but they exist and motor manufactures continue to market them to racers.

As per Edwards post have you raced both to have a real world comparison?

I have seen them in 17.5 TC at my club. He put in an outlaw 17.5, the one black can motor with a pink sensor cover (MuchMore?). It was instantly 0.5s per lap quicker. We heard the rumblings that a few other people were thinking about getting them, as they would have to to keep up.
So I banned them.

I'm afraid I consider the manufacturers who've released outlaws to be creating a problem, solely for the benefit of their sales.

Stock is supposed to be stock for a reason. The stock classes are already too much of a 'motor of the month' as it is. As soon as outlaw motors are produced it turns back into an arms race to produce the most powerful motor, everyone buys one, then the field is back level (though slightly faster) and everyone is out of pocket.

I started racing RC in 1974. I've seen a LOT of changes. Some good, some not so good (the thingie bodies that are used now for example as compared to the scale appearance of just 10-15 years ago.) When manufacturers don't have a standard, problems arise. They push for their new tech and money talks so what was "outlaw", becomes a standard. Then other manufacturers attempt to catch up. Retailers lose money from inventory that becomes obsolete. I remember just how quickly every Igarashi motor became obsolete in a day when the Yokomo's came out. Now every brushed motor is obsolete. Remember the Trinity problem just two years ago. Racers try to keep up and "have" to spend additional bucks. Is the racing better though?