And this is why you see this piece of advice posted A LOT...

"go to the track and look for the fast guys, and ask them for advice"

and you also see this posted

"start with the FT setup and make changes from there, 1 change at a time and then test, to see what works for you and your driving style."

Telling people how to setup their cars doesn't do anything for anyone. You need to understand what it is you are changing, and why. That's why I questioned asking a mid pack driver for a setup sheet....Thats just me personally though. Everyone drives differently and what works for you, won't work for me. Problem I have with WC's post, is he doesn't explain why/how the changes/suggestions he makes affect anything...Honestly it sounds to me like he just regurgitates info passed on to him from his "teamates". And I'll be honest, a lot of it is junk or just weird/strange from my experiences...like when he says the b44.1 chassis is faster than the .2 AVID chassis...when the .2 chassis has been winning for a while now, and on top of that the .2 AVID chassis is what's on the world champs car!! (and used on every AE car in the top 10 at Worlds....and I've felt its affects, went faster using it, and so has everyone else at my track who has done so as well) But, according to WC, we are all wrong and it's junk, slow and a waste of money!! (same was his opinion on the exotek hubs just a few pages back, which he's never used btw.)

Anyways, guess I need to work harder at not feeding the trolls, cuz this is getting way off topic. WC sets off my BS meter on a regular basis and it gets under my skin (hence why i've blocked him) I'm here for legit tech, not for half hazard personal opinions.

It's got nothing to do with me, it's all about you George, and your claims of being a contracted driver for AE. Which is what you would need to be to use the terms "teammate" and "our team" the way you do.

The question is simple. George are you a sponsored Team Associated driver?

If yes, post away.

If no, then you're using the term teammate so you yourself can get undeserved attention and credibility.

It's a simple yes or no question. Man up and answer it or stop making BS claims.

You have to keep in mind that WC is against using anything that isn't created by AE. He will always find some way to say that anything aftermarket is not as good as the AE part.

Keeping that in mind he has a lot of great knowledge and I'm sure he would drive circles around me, but it doesn't make him 100% right.

I feel ya. And hence why I said I need to be better at not feeding the trolls.

I sure wish this forum didn't tell me that he's posted when he's on my ignore list...it's like rubbing salt in the wound lol.

Anyways....back to the B4!

When I ran 17.5 with my b4.2, I felt like the biggest tuning advantage came from roll center adjustments and gearing rather than weight. Tires also are the most obvious adjustment as well.

Honestly the best course of action IMO is to set it up how you want (I suggest the FT base seup, it's pretty solid and a good mid range starting point) and see what you like and dont like, and report back looking for solutions to the attributes you don't like. There are 100 ways to skin a cat and that's no exception here.

If it's not an obvious issue that everyone knows about, then I must have done something wrong putting it together, will give it another once over. I may have put the spindle carries on backwards

though not always my favorite person, Wild Cherry has probably turned more laps on high bite indoor tracks than anyone here combined. when it comes to AE setups, i would listen to him. he may not be the fastest at his track but when your running with Brown, Bridgewater, Walentia, the Smiths, Matesa, and more sponsored guys, he has more factory sponsored guys to get tips from than any of us.

i just got a used car from one of georges locals with this exact setup on it. havent raced 2w buggy in 3 years, after one practice session in a brand new car i qualified mid B main in a 33 car field. this setup works for stock or mod.

give Cherry a break, he may be a ass sometimes but when it comes to setups he knows what hes talking about. 10's of thousands of laps......

Make sure you double check which holes you mounted the shocks in. It could be that you have it inside on the arm in front.

Aren't you a moderator? This is the b4 forum. Lets make a WC forum.

See, it's that same logic that WC tries to cram down our throats and I for one just don't buy it at all. 10's of thousands of laps, half dozen sponsored drivers to pool from, and supposedly he builds, sets up, and tunes these sponsored drivers cars....and yet he's STILL routinely a full second off their lap times (on a 15 second track, that you've ran 10's of thousands of laps on....that's HUGE)

I just can't accept advice from someone with a resume like that. That's all I'm saying, and have said for a long time now. Sounds to me like he's a rockstar by association, and not because he himself is a rockstar. just my .02

TY
can't believe how difficult it gets here just to share what I learn from my team mates here in the N/w.

plus 1

not allowed to do however.

George for the win!!

im not entirely sure but im fairly certian your new... haha first thing is first. make sure you steering links are the same, after that make sure your servo horn is where its suppose to b e(with full epa and no sub trim(if your using regular trim gtfo)) next back you steering off until they dont hit the hubs on either side( via epa) ... after that adjust the small link until your epa is off by 5 or less. make sure it drives a straight line if not adjust sub trim to go striaight. Now go turn some circles visually measure them to be about 3 in of less apart. if not adjust epa accordingly (make sure it doesnt hit the hub).

Good technique. I'll note that next time I set up a car.

Adding that it's worth going through the car to make sure everything is as 'squared' up as possible. It's very easy to end up having subtle differences in camber, toe-in, etc., that in aggregate make the car not perform as it should. Also, make sure your shocks are filled up and bled properly, etc.

I just did this the other day as regular 'maintenance' on my b4 and, for instance, noticed that one shock needed a little refill and a rear ball stud needed a little tightening and thread lock.

If after all of this, you're still having issues, see if you can get someone experienced at the track to look at your car and drive it a few laps. Sometimes someone can catch an issue that is staring you right in the face. There's a lot of adjustments on these cars so don't be afraid to go for some help.

Sorry if this repeats any other posters, I've not read through every single post.

has anyone seen any news on the avid guy that broke off and is doing his own thing? ie like new products of where i can find this info at?