Exactly!!! My car is always more locked in with C. After running the C hubs, anytime I go back to A on an indoor track my car feels broke!

You have it backwards. when you mess with A tabs and C tabs your messing with roll centers. So when you move the link down inner and outer ball studs you are raising the roll center and to lower roll center you raise the links. I know its ass backward to what you would think but it is what it is.

This.

In very basic terms, a higher roll center is closer to the cars center of gravity. As the RC gets closer the COG, the car will roll less, and rotate more through the corner. The opposite is true for a low RC. It's farther away from the COG, so the car leans further into the turn, and decreases rotation.

Never mind.

I agree with you Jason.. however i didn't mention roll centers. When you lower the link you raise the roll center.. but raising the link gives you more STEERING and rotation (roll)

When you lower the link it makes the car drive flatter and have less steering and rotation (roll)

I think were saying the same thing in different terms.



Are you saying that the C-hubs give you more steering than A-hubs? Cause if you are.. i might agree with you on a highbite indoor track.. however the initial person i tried to help (who runs on the same tracks as me day in and day out) is going to see much more steering from using the A blocks then the c blocks due to the fact that the rear end will actually Do something instead of sitting flat as a board.

2.5 toe will make the car push more than with 3. More rear toe = more aggressive turn in entering a turn

I use the A towers at my local track it feels to me the rear seems more plated then it does with the C towers. When I ran the c tower at my local track I didnt like the way the car felt in the middle of the turn at times it would break free. The A tower felt more consistent to me but it all comes down to what feel better for you.

i think the c-tower breaks free because it doesn't let the car roll through the corner.. it drives flat.

your right more toe will give you more turn in but it will push more middle off and throw sweepers. less toe will give you more steering exiting the corner and throw sweepers. more toe= more forward bite so where ever that rear end is pointed is where it will want to go with more rear toe.

When the car doesnt turn in entering a corner it make the car very slow in turns. An on power push is easier to deal with.
Run 2.5 and then 3.5 back to back and tell the class your findings.

i have and a 3.5 block makes the rear too locked in which is why I run a 3 at most places. unless I go to a tight loose indoor track with no high speed sweeper. Then I go up in toe beacause then its a point and shot game and with the rear end more lock in means you can break later and lay more power to the ground.

C Towers were designed to free the car up on high bite (as you stated). That very fact means the A tower would lock the car in more. I agree you shouldn't be running C tower on low bite but he never stated the surface and logic would dictate if he was on a low bite loose track, he would have too much steering and not enough rear bite. Hence me saying C hub.

how does more rear toe give you more aggressive turn IN. Toe affects traction as you apply power. Going into a turn you usually not on power. Middle and exit is where you apply power. Less traction from less toe translates to more rotation.

Am I completely wrong here? LOL. Wouldn't be the first time...


C always made my car feel more stable, which anyone who knows me I complained that A hubs made my car feel broken every time I tried them last winter. So yeah, it's a feel thing and everyone is different.

Thought I share a pic of my new kit...now to start my new B44.2.

BTW, Bob Barry, these new LRP's kill anything VIPER has to offer...The name should have been VIPER Killer not FLOW. J/K

how do youy like the flow esc?

I will paraphrase from Stephenson's Reamde: whatever character flaws you might have, filling your shopping cart is not one of them.

That is a nice piece.