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Old 04-22-2012 | 10:29 AM
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I had some issues at the track today. It's an astroturf track, but with a twist.. about 65% of the track is a worn, sanded astroturf that has medium to low grip. Most obstacles, some turns and the long straight are covered in a newer, sand-less astroturf, which has loads of grip. I had tons of traction rolling today, coupled with some spinouts.. I can't really go for less traction, or driving on the worn sections is like driving on ice. What can I do to get traction rolling under control? I already have the preload at 0mm front, 2mm rear (so sitting really low), I run yellow springs with 35/30wt front/rear, 3.25mm spacer under the rear inner ballstuds, 0.75mm spacer under the inner front ballstuds. Orange swaybar front, blue rear, clicker closed, overdrive front pulley. Strangely, the truck was great last weekend, and this is still the same setup.. I have a feeling the track surface is extremely temperature-dependant. Any suggestions?
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Old 04-22-2012 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Arakon
I had some issues at the track today. It's an astroturf track, but with a twist.. about 65% of the track is a worn, sanded astroturf that has medium to low grip. Most obstacles, some turns and the long straight are covered in a newer, sand-less astroturf, which has loads of grip. I had tons of traction rolling today, coupled with some spinouts.. I can't really go for less traction, or driving on the worn sections is like driving on ice. What can I do to get traction rolling under control? I already have the preload at 0mm front, 2mm rear (so sitting really low), I run yellow springs with 35/30wt front/rear, 3.25mm spacer under the rear inner ballstuds, 0.75mm spacer under the inner front ballstuds. Orange swaybar front, blue rear, clicker closed, overdrive front pulley. Strangely, the truck was great last weekend, and this is still the same setup.. I have a feeling the track surface is extremely temperature-dependant. Any suggestions?
Have you tried any tire compounds like stick kicks etc??????
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Old 04-22-2012 | 10:43 AM
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Arakon ,, install the Ae rear hub mod with the carbon brace, it will help with you control the traction rolls .
And next time try lowering your rear ride height a bout 1mm( 23mm total)

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Old 04-22-2012 | 10:43 AM
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I only have the choice between LRP VTEC shortcourse tires (which are great on astroturf, medium traction) and Schumacher Minispike (which have loads of traction). I get traction rolls with both.

@Wild Cherry: I can't go any lower, I already have the preload spacer all the way up. The carbon brace is not available here yet, so that's no option for now.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Arakon
I only have the choice between LRP VTEC shortcourse tires (which are great on astroturf, medium traction) and Schumacher Minispike (which have loads of traction). I get traction rolls with both.

@Wild Cherry: I can't go any lower, I already have the preload spacer all the way up. The carbon brace is not available here yet, so that's no option for now.
You make the rear hub mod yourself , use the carbon C Hub parts from B4.1, easy to do ...


You have to be way lower than 23mm if your spring collar is all the way up on top of shock body , assuming your using rear yellow....


Measure your rear ride height with a gauge and adjust...

spring collar usually lands about 10 mm from the top
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Old 04-22-2012 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by F_ME
Gearing is not your problem. 15/62 is just fine for 8min race.
I run my Pro4 4K with 15/60 gearing with lots of timing and come off at 160F after 8min main.

Check ALL of your bearings...hubs, trans, belt tension rollers, motor.
The stock AE bearings don't last long.
I just had a front hub bearing failure and found a bearing in my rear diff worn bad. Had to replace the diff housing too. Just replaced all my bearings with Avid ceramics. Butter smooth now.

Also check to make sure your diffs are not bound up by tightening the screws too tight. This is a common mistake. Snug them then back them off an 8th turn or so and check to make sure they spin free.
Thanks, i'll give it a shot. just disappointing whenyou get new stuff and you call the maufacturer to get the scoop on a decent starting point. I just put new front and rear trannys in my truck as well as a complete set of bearings. I'll go through my truck agaon and see if i have any binding.

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Old 04-22-2012 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
You make the rear hub mod yourself , use the carbon C Hub parts from B4.1, easy to do ...


You have to be way lower than 23mm if your spring collar is all the way up on top of shock body , assuming your using rear yellow....


Measure your rear ride height with a gauge and adjust...

spring collar usually lands about 10 mm from the top
I'm at ~21mm ride height. Using the adjustments in the manual on the collars (4mm front, 6mm rear), I'd end up close to 30mm ride height.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 11:19 AM
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How interested would people be in another saddle conversion becoming available? I just looked into it and I can remake mine for about $30 including a pre-drilled chassis.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 12:04 PM
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It would have to offer a substantial advantage over the saddle setups that are already out there with the ft,exotek and etc.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Arakon
I'm at ~21mm ride height. Using the adjustments in the manual on the collars (4mm front, 6mm rear), I'd end up close to 30mm ride height.
Where are the measuring points you are using on chassis ?
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Old 04-22-2012 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by motobigalow
It would have to offer a substantial advantage over the saddle setups that are already out there with the ft,exotek and etc.
It would be cheaper and weigh a bit more for added stability.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
Where are the measuring points you are using on chassis ?
Just before and behind the nerf bars on the sides.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 12:19 PM
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Arakon ,

I'm puzzled , you are measuring at correct spots.

Perhaps you have a whole lot of rebound in the shocks ?

My rear shocks are mounted inside on tower & inside on arm ...

shock collar 10 mm from bottom edge of cap

I get 24MM rear ride height ,yellow rear spring
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Old 04-22-2012 | 12:31 PM
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How much difference does the FT saddle pack upgrade/chassis brace package really make in the truck? Just wondering if it's worth the $65 for a casual racer like myself?
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Old 04-22-2012 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Genius jr.
Does any one have the front clicker part they would be willing to sell? Just the part that keys onto the shaft and presses against the pulley. I lost mine and don't want to shell out the $12 for the entire pulley/tensioner system.
Are you going to be at ECH anytime soon.I have one for you.
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