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lyons238 03-24-2016 06:23 AM

Soldering....
 
So I went to solder my ESC and most came out pretty good but one connection and a little but of another didn't solder that well. I just don't think I got the proper heat transfer because I had to hold the iron on the post for longer than I wanted and the connection is still clumpy...

1. Can this be fixed without having to remove all solder and start over?

2. Whats the best way to do it?

3. Should I try, heating up the connection a bit, then put some tin on the tip of my iron and try and re flow the solder and have whats on my iron fill any other spots?

4. When soldering say I have the iron on one side of the post and wire, is it best to just make everything melt from that one side or to hit both sides?

Thanks in advance.

lyons238 03-24-2016 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by rctrains (Post 14461906)
First, make sure your iron is even getting hot enough, I've got cheap ones before and they never got hot enough and ruined my escs, and if it is you should be able to place the iron right on the wire tip and melt it on the post within 10seconds, thank goodness for YouTube lol.

have a hakko fx888 with the bigger 3.2mm tip at 650* F, nut yes it doesnt seem hott enough.

What should I put the temp to considering?

Also considering the iron is at the right temp, can anyone answer the other questions please?

rotomoto 03-24-2016 07:42 AM

What kind of solder are you using? A hakko iron will get plenty hot to do this job. If you're not using some type of flux to make the solder flow, you're going to have a hard time getting clean joints.
I use silver solder and put a tiny bit of flux on the two separate parts to be soldered. With a bit of practice you'll get nice shiny connections every time.

sakadachi 03-24-2016 07:51 AM

I use at least a 60watt iron and solder like this. I currently use the thin solder cores, but I think I prefer the mediums more.

http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-AT-31604...s=solder+rosin

As posted above, I think your iron is not getting hot enough.

avaldes 03-24-2016 07:52 AM

Not all solders are equal. Some types, especially the lead-free take a lot higher temperature to flow properly. You might try 700 or 750 if you are using lead free. Also you didn't say if you are using rosin core or straight wire solder. Either way, a little flux on the connection before you join the parts is a good thing.

The best advice I can give is to get clamp to hold your wires and parts together. That way you can concentrate on getting a good joint instead of burning your fingers. Soldering is an art and takes a lot of practice!

sakadachi 03-24-2016 07:55 AM

Very true on the lead-free. I hate those.

avaldes 03-24-2016 08:03 AM

Me too! A lot of consumer electronics are made with lead free today.

If you ever wanted to learn about different types of solder, the audiophile websites have lots of information. Those guys wire up their own amplifiers and swear that they can hear the difference between brands of solder. Kester is a good brand that isn't too expensive and is very commonly used in the Aerospace industry.

Geezatec 03-24-2016 08:15 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Redo cold solder joints. Remove solder with solder wick or solder sucker. Practice by soldering 2 wire together. Trick is to heat up work enough for solder to flow.
1- Clean soldering tip
2- tin tip
3- Remove Solder on work with wick or solder sucker
4- let cool
5- Re-strip wire and re-tin
5- You should have enough solder on joint
6- Heat up joint(1sec) You'll see solder flow, Then add the wire.

Should take more than 10 seconds You have a clean soldering joint.

Photo attached is my de-soldering tool. Works well doesn't over heat the work. Use bulb vacuum out solder Not Blow out. Clean by squeezing bulb on paper to clear out solder.

Practice on solder 2 wires together, then do your soldering job. You'll turn into a solder artist. 35watt is good enough, Don't use soldering gun it get to over heat everything. I use 3mm or 5mm tip for better heat transfer, iron not even 275deg

May use flux but I found rosin core easier. Flux clean work and let solder to flow.

Good Luck!!!!

lyons238 03-24-2016 08:20 AM

i use 63/37 and 60/40 rosin core. sometimes i use added flux past but honestly i prefer the look of the joint without it?

I think im just not getting good heat transfer with the way the tekin escs are with those slots and i have my wires clamped fin to fit in those slots. but its just nt flowing together nicely.

do you think if i separate the joints i can reuse the same tinned solder on the posts and lead? or should i try to remove and reapply? most of the solder seem it hasnt heated up much as its kinda clump

can anyone answer my initial questions?

Geezatec 03-24-2016 08:36 AM

Klumping is heat transfer. Solder gets oxidize while redoing the job. Must start by cleaning, re-tinning the iron, every time. Using a sponge to clean tip and re-tinning. Major steps in soldering.

sakadachi 03-24-2016 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by lyons238 (Post 14462037)
can anyone answer my initial questions?

1. Can this be died without restarting>

What do you mean by this? :confused:

2. Whats the best way to do it?

Use a solder wick as geezatec mentioned, remove the botched solder first.

3. Should I try, heating up the connection a bit, then put some tin on the tip of my iron and try and re flow the solder and have whats on my iron fill any other spots?

I usually put a dab of solder on the iron tip first, then coat the wire (tinning the wire) with solder by heating the wire and placing solder on it. Then heat the terminal, melt solder onto the terminal, place tinned wire on the terminal (without additional solder) to solder together.


4. When soldering say I have the iron on one side of the post and wire, is it best to just make everything melt from that one side or to hit both sides?

You have to heat both sides simultaneously, but follow the step above to see if you like that procedure.

lyons238 03-24-2016 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by sakadachi (Post 14462147)
1. Can this be died without restarting>

What do you mean by this? :confused:

2. Whats the best way to do it?

Use a solder wick as geezatec mentioned, remove the botched solder first.

3. Should I try, heating up the connection a bit, then put some tin on the tip of my iron and try and re flow the solder and have whats on my iron fill any other spots?

I usually put a dab of solder on the iron tip first, then coat the wire (tinning the wire) with solder by heating the wire and placing solder on it. Then heat the terminal, melt solder onto the terminal, place tinned wire on the terminal (without additional solder) to solder together.


4. When soldering say I have the iron on one side of the post and wire, is it best to just make everything melt from that one side or to hit both sides?

You have to heat both sides simultaneously, but follow the step above to see if you like that procedure.

Thanks. I cant heat both sides simultaneously thought. I have the wire flattened to fit in the tekin ESC and i cant hear both sides at once its physically impossible.

and the first question i meant..."can this be fixed without restarting, removing old solder, and starting all over again. I have desoldering braid but doesnt seem to work well, maybe idk what im doing

Geezatec 03-24-2016 03:27 PM

You using a 1mm tip? Tip too small. Never get heat transfer evenly. Tekins use 3mm or 5mm chisel tip. I work on Tekins a lot since'91.
Like earlier post Heat transfer is the trick.
As for solder removal I'd rather use a solder sucker, the spring loaded tool, better the one I posted. Wick tended to over heat , you have to heat up the wick so it soaks up the solder.. Remover I posted $30. Cheaper then $340 desoldering station out there

Grizzbob 03-24-2016 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by sakadachi (Post 14462147)
1. Can this be died without restarting>

What do you mean by this? :confused:

2. Whats the best way to do it?

Use a solder wick as geezatec mentioned, remove the botched solder first.

3. Should I try, heating up the connection a bit, then put some tin on the tip of my iron and try and re flow the solder and have whats on my iron fill any other spots?

I usually put a dab of solder on the iron tip first, then coat the wire (tinning the wire) with solder by heating the wire and placing solder on it. Then heat the terminal, melt solder onto the terminal, place tinned wire on the terminal (without additional solder) to solder together.


4. When soldering say I have the iron on one side of the post and wire, is it best to just make everything melt from that one side or to hit both sides?

You have to heat both sides simultaneously, but follow the step above to see if you like that procedure.

I agree, & I would also suggest making sure you have a good quality solder(for me, I'm partial to Kester, have used it at work & I have a roll for myself: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149K4JTY?psc=1 ) That & a good iron are really the two most important things in good solder joints, & if you have any doubts about a joint, then it really is best to remove the solder(what you can) & redo it....:cool:

Grizzbob 03-24-2016 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Geezatec (Post 14462626)
You using a 1mm tip? Tip too small. Never get heat transfer evenly. Tekins use 3mm or 5mm chisel tip. I work on Tekins a lot since'91.
Like earlier post Heat transfer is the trick.
As for solder removal I'd rather use a solder sucker, the spring loaded tool, better the one I posted. Wick tended to over heat , you have to heat up the wick so it soaks up the solder.. Remover I posted $30. Cheaper then $340 desoldering station out there

I believe he said he's using a 3.2mm tip, so I'd think that part is ok, should be decent for heat transfer(though it might help to turn the temp up to 750F or so).


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