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ScottyTC4NZ 01-15-2014 02:45 AM


Originally Posted by matt_is_superco (Post 12846257)
Well crap... I got my SkyRC esc in the mail today, soldered it up, tested it out, hooked up the Bluetooth module (which is awesome) and tested it out. But then I finally downloaded the SkyRC PC software and got this foreign language error message. Any idea what this means?

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...F6526226A1.jpg

Hey Guys,

Im getting this message aswell,
any help would be great

Stano71 01-15-2014 05:45 AM

Turnigy Trackstar USBLink Software
 
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Ok guys this is what I found with the turnigy trackstar software.
As everybody has said it wont READ the ESC, but I found it will WRITE to it.
This is how I did it...
First you have to create a "test" file with the extension .esc , example: test.esc to desktop or location of your choice.
You can create one using notepad. open notepad, leave it blank, click save as, at the bottom change save file type as:: to all files/types, save as test.esc. must not save as .txt file or it wont work so test.esc ...NOT test.esc.txt, just so its clear for all

Open USBLink by right clicking on icon and run as administrator, Click on load from pc and select your "test" file, you will get file error but the program opens. in general settings you must click on default button or the program will crash when you go to the throttle tab. or use the one I attached to avoid the file error(only changed running mode to forward/brake/reverse) you will have to rename it to .esc as I cant upload this file type here, follow above procedure to name correctly, once you are "IN" you can change and save your config, and then it will write it to the ESC. Cant read it though
I confirmed that my change was saved in the ESC with the program box by itself. Hopefully HobbyKing will sort this out soon with a firmware update:lol:

EDIT: (Sorry, should have said I'm running Win7 Pro) You can Create a shortcut to USBLink on your desktop and change its properties to always run as admin( right click icon: properties: compatability: run as admin (checkbox)

EDIT: Also just wanted to add that when connected to PC, NO battery is required to be connected to the ESC and you do not need to press the power button, it powers through the usb cord. You only need the battery if using the program box by itself.

ponie1992 01-15-2014 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Stano71 (Post 12907968)
Ok guys this is what I found with the turnigy trackstar software.
As everybody has said it wont READ the ESC, but I found it will WRITE to it.
This is how I did it...
First you have to create a "test" file with the extension .esc , example: test.esc to desktop or location of your choice.
You can create one using notepad. open notepad, leave it blank, click save as, at the bottom change save file type as:: to all files/types, save as test.esc. must not save as .txt file or it wont work so test.esc ...NOT test.esc.txt, just so its clear for all

Open USBLink by right clicking on icon and run as administrator, Click on load from pc and select your "test" file, you will get file error but the program opens. in general settings you must click on default button or the program will crash when you go to the throttle tab. or use the one I attached to avoid the file error(only changed running mode to forward/brake/reverse) you will have to rename it to .esc as I cant upload this file type here, follow above procedure to name correctly, once you are "IN" you can change and save your config, and then it will write it to the ESC. Cant read it though
I confirmed that my change was saved in the ESC with the program box by itself. Hopefully HobbyKing will sort this out soon with a firmware update:lol:

You are the man!!! Nice job. I finally got in.

For anyone else who has actually named the administrator account, you may be required to create a password for that account and use it to log in. At least that's what I had to do. I use Windows XP and I couldn't log in with the password field blank.

cygnusx1 01-15-2014 06:50 PM

Nice classic computer detective work! I will have to try this. Very clever. I use my old laptop with XP on it, but I can also try my Win 7 Ultimate desktop if the laptop doesn't work.

I will report after I try it.

wei25 01-16-2014 06:20 AM

genii
 
I still could not get it. After I load your file, am I supposed to plug in the program card or esc to save into it? Once I done that then the program will crash and close it.

Stano71 01-16-2014 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by wei25 (Post 12911456)
I still could not get it. After I load your file, am I supposed to plug in the program card or esc to save into it? Once I done that then the program will crash and close it.

Try this, it should work. Connect esc to prog box with programming wire at prog socket on esc, connect usb to prog box and pc, prog box should display connected to usb, fan spins and light is flashing on ESC, no battery is required, PC should detect new usb device, let it install the usb driver, now open USBLink as admin, load my file from pc, dont forget to rename it as described in previous post. Once open, make desired changes, save to pc(for later use), click save to ESC, should see writing progress bar and confirmation in USBLink (and light flashes faster on ESC), when it is done your changes should be saved, can check with program box alone but you will need a battery connected by the balance plug to the prog box. hope this helps and good luck

wei25 01-16-2014 04:28 PM

trackstar
 
thanks for the reply.
but everytime when I had it plug into my com and run it as admin the software will crash even before I could even load anything.

Stano71 01-16-2014 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by wei25 (Post 12913144)
thanks for the reply.
but everytime when I had it plug into my com and run it as admin the software will crash even before I could even load anything.


Try downloading the software again and unzip it to a different location on your pc(must be unzipped before running), if this fails try creating your own test.esc as described earlier, in case there is a problem with my uploaded file. Just to be sure, I am talking about Turnigy trackstar USBLink software from hobbyking. SKYrc program is known to crash as per previous posts by others here, I know of no solution as yet, regards Brendon

wei25 01-16-2014 07:28 PM

trackstar
 
ok i guess i sort of know whats wrong. im using the cable for rx into the program box which instead i should be using the other port at the top with the separated cable given.

invrtd 01-17-2014 04:58 AM

Does the blue tooth module work %100 on the toro esc. Looking at purchasing this esc to be able to adjust when boost and timing hits so I won't need to use expo on my radio. Just don't want to purchase an esc I can't program. I currently run a hobbywing SC120 and it works great on my 1/8 buggy on 4S but need to use expo to keep the car undercontrol in the infield. I just want the option to go 6S in the future.

ponie1992 01-17-2014 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by wei25 (Post 12913144)
thanks for the reply.
but everytime when I had it plug into my com and run it as admin the software will crash even before I could even load anything.

The software did this to me as well, but I figured out that I had named the admin account on my pc and I had to use the named account. I also had to create a pw because it won't let you leave the pw field blank.

Dino_D 01-17-2014 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by invrtd (Post 12914543)
Does the blue tooth module work %100 on the toro esc. Looking at purchasing this esc to be able to adjust when boost and timing hits so I won't need to use expo on my radio. Just don't want to purchase an esc I can program. I currently run a hobbywing SC120 and it works great on my 1/8 buggy on 4S but need to use expo to keep the car undercontrol in the infield. I just want the option to go 6S in the future.

Yes the Toro Bluetooth works on both the TS150 and TS120 on both andriod and iphone. But you need to upgrade to the latest firmware. So if you have a older model, you kinda need to flash it with the TORO program card first.

cygnusx1 01-17-2014 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Stano71 (Post 12913215)
Try downloading the software again and unzip it to a different location on your pc(must be unzipped before running), if this fails try creating your own test.esc as described earlier, in case there is a problem with my uploaded file. Just to be sure, I am talking about Turnigy trackstar USBLink software from hobbyking. SKYrc program is known to crash as per previous posts by others here, I know of no solution as yet, regards Brendon

Moderate success with upload communication using your method. However, eventually, the software would simply crash when selecting the "Throttle" tab. I will try again if and when they release some sort of update. I will program using the Trackstar hand-held programming card for now.

Also, I run twin 6000mah 2s batteries as 4s. I set the Voltage Cutoff to Auto and it counts the four cells during power up fine. They say that Auto should cut power at 3.2V/cell. I had to put back 6300mah into my 6000mah batteries when I recharged them! You might want to manually select a higher cutoff voltage to save your lipos. I am going to change from AUTO(3.2v/cell) to a fixed 13.5V cutoff for my 4S setup.

Stano71 01-18-2014 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by cygnusx1 (Post 12917288)
Moderate success with upload communication using your method. However, eventually, the software would simply crash when selecting the "Throttle" tab. I will try again if and when they release some sort of update. I will program using the Trackstar hand-held programming card for now.

Also, I run twin 6000mah 2s batteries as 4s. I set the Voltage Cutoff to Auto and it counts the four cells during power up fine. They say that Auto should cut power at 3.2V/cell. I had to put back 6300mah into my 6000mah batteries when I recharged them! You might want to manually select a higher cutoff voltage to save your lipos. I am going to change from AUTO(3.2v/cell) to a fixed 13.5V cutoff for my 4S setup.

RE crashing: I found this at first as well, but if you click on the DEFAULTS tab in GENERAL SETTINGS(after opening the program) ,the program no longer crashes when going to the throttle tab (on my setup at least). hope hobbyking update soon, maybe we should all raise a support ticket with them at the same time. I will contact them soon and see what I can find out.

Itek 01-23-2014 01:24 AM

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Hello :)

Ive just bought the Turnigy trackstar 150A gen2 speedcontroller. I have a problem, the reverse speed curve is weird. It looks something like this:

Attachment 1158132

Where The start (origo) is neutral trottle.

Any Idea what I can do to remove the first peak?

Any idea is appeciated!

cygnusx1 01-23-2014 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Itek (Post 12934050)
Hello :)

Ive just bought the Turnigy trackstar 150A gen2 speedcontroller. I have a problem, the reverse speed curve is weird. It looks something like this:

Attachment 1158132

Where The start (origo) is neutral trottle.

Any Idea what I can do to remove the first peak?

Any idea is appeciated!

Have you reset the throttle positions and does your radio have any throttle curves setup in itself?

javi0sh 01-23-2014 04:05 PM

Hello guys just ordered the 120a sc esc from turnigy and I also ordered a program card but it is the turnigy trackstar turbo program one. Does anyone know if it will work?

Stano71 01-23-2014 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by javi0sh (Post 12936132)
Hello guys just ordered the 120a sc esc from turnigy and I also ordered a program card but it is the turnigy trackstar turbo program one. Does anyone know if it will work?

not sure on this but the site says it will only work with TURBO or WATERPROOF esc's, if it is not the right one,you might be able to change your order with hobbyking if it has'nt been sent yet,you can try through your account, they are very slow at the moment so you might catch them, good luck

javi0sh 01-23-2014 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Stano71 (Post 12936215)
not sure on this but the site says it will only work with TURBO or WATERPROOF esc's, if it is not the right one,you might be able to change your order with hobbyking if it has'nt been sent yet,you can try through your account, they are very slow at the moment so you might catch them, good luck

The crappy part about this order is I didnt realize what I ordered until it was in my hands. So I am going to have to return the program card and place another order from the international warehouse for the right card. It was backorder from the US warehouse.
Thanks for the info and great thread.

Itek 01-24-2014 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by cygnusx1 (Post 12935375)
Have you reset the throttle positions and does your radio have any throttle curves setup in itself?

Trottle positions are reset several times. My radio has no trottle curves.

My radio is a modified turnigy 9x airplane radio (running er9x), maybe that have someting to do with it?

Ill try connecting a servo tester on the trottle to see if i get the same reaction.

EDIT:
I just tried to use the program box as a servo tester. I could not get the esc into reverse. Tried to set the pulse as low as possible, but no reaction :/

Dino_D 01-24-2014 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Itek (Post 12937382)
Trottle positions are reset several times. My radio has no trottle curves.

My radio is a modified turnigy 9x airplane radio (running er9x), maybe that have someting to do with it?

Ill try connecting a servo tester on the trottle to see if i get the same reaction.

EDIT:
I just tried to use the program box as a servo tester. I could not get the esc into reverse. Tried to set the pulse as low as possible, but no reaction :/


Airplanes radios. Try moving the throttle trim all the way down to negative. When I tried my JR12x, I had to do this just so that the ESC can recognize neutral properly.

Itek 01-24-2014 12:12 PM

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Thanks for your replies!

Ok, i fiddled a little bit around, trimming the trottle. No difference. Seems like the esc is recognizing the neutral position properly...

I also updated the reverse graph, as I discovered the previous was a bit off:

Attachment 1158554

Edit:
Im starting to understand. Thinking it must have to do with stick sentering...
Any idea how to test this?
Ive tried to adjust the trottle dead band, but without luck...

Stano71 01-24-2014 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Itek (Post 12938827)
Thanks for your replies!

Ok, i fiddled a little bit around, trimming the trottle. No difference. Seems like the esc is recognizing the neutral position properly...

I also updated the reverse graph, as I discovered the previous was a bit off:

Attachment 1158554

Edit:
Im starting to understand. Thinking it must have to do with stick sentering...
Any idea how to test this?
Ive tried to adjust the trottle dead band, but without luck...

Not exactly sure I understand the graph, is it lag.... then reverse curve? or is that starting off in fast reverse, going to nothing, then following reverse curve?
Do you have the radio setup as a simple 4 channel? if so try swapping the 2 channels around at the receiver and see if it is the same, which should tell you if its the radio causing the problem. Also what mode is esc set to ?(forward brake reverse or forward reverse) also do obvious things like calibrate radio first, then calibrate esc(to radio), if you havent already :)

Schlong Connery 01-24-2014 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by wei25 (Post 12913713)
ok i guess i sort of know whats wrong. im using the cable for rx into the program box which instead i should be using the other port at the top with the separated cable given.


Ha! I was doing the same thing and going crazy. Finally had a "Duh" moment and all works good. I am using the SkyRC software and all works as it should. I am able to read and write to the ESC with no issues.
The only snafu I have is the program defaults to Chinese instead of English on startup. Other than that, working great on the PC and/or program card.

Stano71 01-24-2014 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Schlong Connery (Post 12939815)
Ha! I was doing the same thing and going crazy. Finally had a "Duh" moment and all works good. I am using the SkyRC software and all works as it should. I am able to read and write to the ESC with no issues.
The only snafu I have is the program defaults to Chinese instead of English on startup. Other than that, working great on the PC and/or program card.


Just want to check which esc are you using, is it the skyrc or turnigy

Itek 01-25-2014 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by Stano71 (Post 12939478)
Not exactly sure I understand the graph, is it lag.... then reverse curve? or is that starting off in fast reverse, going to nothing, then following reverse curve?
Do you have the radio setup as a simple 4 channel? if so try swapping the 2 channels around at the receiver and see if it is the same, which should tell you if its the radio causing the problem. Also what mode is esc set to ?(forward brake reverse or forward reverse) also do obvious things like calibrate radio first, then calibrate esc(to radio), if you havent already :)

You are correct. Its starting off in fast reverse, going to zero speed and then following the normal reverse curve.

My radio is an opensource 8ch airplane transmitter. I can mix a lot with my channels and switches. I tried to have the negative part of the stick on one channel, the positive on the other and then combine these to another channel. By offsetting the negative part, I would like to skip the first 20% on the reverse (so that neutral (0%) and -20% is the same spot). But it seems like the radio is interpolating and the effect dissappears...7

I also tried to set trottle to another channel. There is no difference.
Also changing the reverse speed will do no difference. The startoff reverse speed is constant!

EDIT:
Finally! I found a solution!
By making a custom switch, which set the trottle to zero when trottle is lower than trottle offset. (SW1 - v<ofs - THR - 0) and setting offset to -20, the radio jumps the first 20 on reverse. I also had to split the trottle channel in positive and negative direction (forward and backward as trottle is higher than offset above neutral)

Dirty fix, but it works!

vixarraku 01-28-2014 05:02 AM

Hello, I took some time reading this thread, I live in Spain I have finally decided to buy it even here there is nothing of this esc you advise me a motor?,I've been looking at an engine TENSHOCK But are 6 poles and are at the limit of esc. I feel my English is not really good. Greetings!!

mattst 01-28-2014 04:47 PM

please help

i am having issues with trackstar software. The program loads and as soon as i plug the usb card in windows shuts it down.

i know all my equipment is good tested all good. I have plugged u card and car into my friends laptop all works fine.

It did work once but not anymore.

Please help, i have spoken to hobbyking and there are aware of the issue but no resolve. I am using a dell old laptop with windows vista basic.

I have made a utube vid ut will not allow me post a link please search for "Turnigy Trackstar USB programme NOT WORKING - YouTube

Stano71 01-28-2014 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by mattst (Post 12952588)
please help

i am having issues with trackstar software. The program loads and as soon as i plug the usb card in windows shuts it down.

i know all my equipment is good tested all good. I have plugged u card and car into my friends laptop all works fine.

It did work once but not anymore.

Please help, i have spoken to hobbyking and there are aware of the issue but no resolve. I am using a dell old laptop with windows vista basic.

I have made a utube vid ut will not allow me post a link please search for "Turnigy Trackstar USB programme NOT WORKING - YouTube

Waiting for reply from hobbyking as well, there is a problem with either the software OR firmware on program box.
if you read my earlier posts it descirbes how you can get the software to write to the esc but NEVER been able to read it. will post here anything I find out from hobbyking but that might take a while:mad:

Stano71 01-30-2014 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by vixarraku (Post 12950311)
Hello, I took some time reading this thread, I live in Spain I have finally decided to buy it even here there is nothing of this esc you advise me a motor?,I've been looking at an engine TENSHOCK But are 6 poles and are at the limit of esc. I feel my English is not really good. Greetings!!

Not sure what you are going to use it for, but I got this one,
Turnigy TrackStar 1/8th Sensored Brushless Motor 2350KV , it is a good match for the turnigy esc and a 1/8th buggy.:)

kaisertrip 02-03-2014 08:05 AM

Thought I would through some info out there.....
I ordered 2) TS150a this christmas from ebay on special... and a bluetooth module.
Just so you know they are not water proof.....LOL yes I smoked one right before a race this last weekend.....
But other than that they both worked awesome, smooth power....bluetooth module is great easy to use.
I am going to order another one. I think I am going to mod them with a epoxy fix so as to make them water proof, just to prevent me from burning another one. Yes I am lazy and use water to clean my buggies.

cygnusx1 02-03-2014 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Stano71 (Post 12957690)
Not sure what you are going to use it for, but I got this one,
Turnigy TrackStar 1/8th Sensored Brushless Motor 2350KV , it is a good match for the turnigy esc and a 1/8th buggy.:)

I use the same setup. It is fast and sounds great too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJyC3...dvtw0Xt7oZoAyw

Beaker151 02-03-2014 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by kaisertrip (Post 12970986)
Thought I would through some info out there.....
I ordered 2) TS150a this christmas from ebay on special... and a bluetooth module.
Just so you know they are not water proof.....LOL yes I smoked one right before a race this last weekend.....
But other than that they both worked awesome, smooth power....bluetooth module is great easy to use.
I am going to order another one. I think I am going to mod them with a epoxy fix so as to make them water proof, just to prevent me from burning another one. Yes I am lazy and use water to clean my buggies.

My buddy was at that raced and told me that happened to you after washing you car off. You would think more electronics more water resistant these days.

DRTMI 02-04-2014 05:27 AM

Hey guys, could one of you tell me which setting in the program card does the current limiting? The translation leaves quite a bit to be desired. TrackStar 150A btw.

Stano71 02-04-2014 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by DRTMI (Post 12974353)
Hey guys, could one of you tell me which setting in the program card does the current limiting? The translation leaves quite a bit to be desired. TrackStar 150A btw.

if you read this post,http://www.rctech.net/forum/12899954-post30.html , it tells you the available options and their meanings in a little bit better detail, if you want to check the original version go here, ##w.hobbywing.com/uploadfiles/sx/file/Manual/HW-09-80.pdf, it is for hobbywing but the options are very similar.
I don't think you can current limit, but maybe altering the throttle curve will achieve the same result, depending on what you are trying to do

DRTMI 02-04-2014 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Stano71 (Post 12974415)
if you read this post,http://www.rctech.net/forum/12899954-post30.html , it tells you the available options and their meanings in a little bit better detail, if you want to check the original version go here, ##w.hobbywing.com/uploadfiles/sx/file/Manual/HW-09-80.pdf, it is for hobbywing but the options are identical.
I don't think you can current limit, but maybe altering the throttle curve will achieve the same result, depending on what you are trying to do

I guess it would be item 2.4, punch. But my ESC does not have anything from 1-9, the Track Star has something called punch rate switch point that goes from 1-99, then 1st stage punch rate 1-30, and 2nd stage punch rate 1-30. So obviously the settings between the Track Star and Hobbywing are not identical.

Stano71 02-04-2014 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by DRTMI (Post 12974452)
I guess it would be item 2.4, punch. But my ESC does not have anything from 1-9, the Track Star has something called punch rate switch point that goes from 1-99, then 1st stage punch rate 1-30, and 2nd stage punch rate 1-30. So obviously the settings between the Track Star and Hobbywing are not identical.

Ok so they are not identical (I did mention this in previous post), but the explanations helped me to understand the settings better, as you said turnigy is lacking in this department, but the hobbywing manual is explained in more detail.:)

matt_is_superco 02-05-2014 04:18 PM

Oh boy... This just confused me for a good moment: referring to HobbyWing instructions in a thread for TrackStar and Toro electronics :)
Stano - thanks for helping everyone out. Somehow I wasn't getting notified of new posts in this thread anymore. I thought it was dead.

At this point I have:
Trackstar 150A Gen2 esc (x2), TrackStar smart program box
Toro 150A Gen2 esc, Toro smart program box (x2), Toro bluetooth module, Toro SkyLink

If I had to start over I would buy Toro esc's and a bluetooth module for each one and leave them plugged in and mounted. You can not beat pulling your cell phone out of your pocket at any given moment within 35 feet of your rc car and being able to adjust esc settings (when rc is powered on of course, and cell phone bluetooth is on and connected of course).

Open offer to thread readers: I'll trade a like new TrackStar esc for your Toro esc if you feel opposite.

I'll have to try my Toro and Trackstar out again tonight and see if I can connect to PC. I haven't even tried using the Toro SkyLink yet. Seems like an unnecessarily redundant part, since function is included in program card and features are available on bluetooth. I might be the only person that bought one.

Schlong Connery 02-11-2014 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Stano71 (Post 12939993)
Just want to check which esc are you using, is it the skyrc or turnigy

Sorry for the late response. Skyrc esc.
I wish I knew more about modding cell phone software. I am able to use an otg cable to connect my droid to the program box and the esc. It powers both the program box and esc, but the skyrc link phone software only communicates via Bluetooth. I'd love to be able to program the esc this way instead of breaking out a PC. Guess I might have to pony up for the Bluetooth module.

Just an FYI an otg cable is a USB cable.

Schlong Connery 02-11-2014 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by kaisertrip (Post 12970986)
Thought I would through some info out there.....
I ordered 2) TS150a this christmas from ebay on special... and a bluetooth module.
Just so you know they are not water proof.....LOL yes I smoked one right before a race this last weekend.....
But other than that they both worked awesome, smooth power....bluetooth module is great easy to use.
I am going to order another one. I think I am going to mod them with a epoxy fix so as to make them water proof, just to prevent me from burning another one. Yes I am lazy and use water to clean my buggies.


I just use corrosion x for waterproofing. Was out in deep snow the past two weekends and the inside of my truck was caked with snow for a good hour or so both times. I do the motors as well just for precaution. Just coat them once a year and I've never had an issue.


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