Transponders
12-02-2013 | 07:27 AM
#107
12-02-2013 | 07:56 AM
#108
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 15,743
From: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
I can't really argue that one,I do too
....most can't do it without me having to pull the "mod card" though
I'll say this. If you're gonna hate, hate them both.
MyLaps is about $85 and an MRT is about $65 right now. Take out the whole clone, copy, duplicate, monopoly thing and it all boils down to 20 bucks. If we were looking at $40 vs. $30 would so many people still be bitching..? Never mind, I know people would be. It would be just a little bit more pointless It's not like MyLaps obsoleted a PT that was 1/5th their cost.
....most can't do it without me having to pull the "mod card" though I'll say this. If you're gonna hate, hate them both.
MyLaps is about $85 and an MRT is about $65 right now. Take out the whole clone, copy, duplicate, monopoly thing and it all boils down to 20 bucks. If we were looking at $40 vs. $30 would so many people still be bitching..? Never mind, I know people would be. It would be just a little bit more pointless It's not like MyLaps obsoleted a PT that was 1/5th their cost.
12-02-2013 | 08:05 AM
#109
I can't really argue that one,I do too....most can't do it without me having to pull the "mod card" though
I'll say this. If you're gonna hate, hate them both. MyLaps is about $85 and an MRT is about $65 right now. Take out the whole clone, copy, duplicate, monopoly thing and it all boils down to 20 bucks. If we were looking at $40 vs. $30 would so many people still be bitching..? Never mind, I know people would be. It would be just a little bit more pointless It's not like MyLaps obsoleted a PT that was 1/5th their cost.
....most can't do it without me having to pull the "mod card" though I'll say this. If you're gonna hate, hate them both.
MyLaps is about $85 and an MRT is about $65 right now. Take out the whole clone, copy, duplicate, monopoly thing and it all boils down to 20 bucks. If we were looking at $40 vs. $30 would so many people still be bitching..? Never mind, I know people would be. It would be just a little bit more pointless It's not like MyLaps obsoleted a PT that was 1/5th their cost.MRTs were much cheaper at one time.
Back when I first started ordering them they were ~$45 each, AMBs were ~$90-$100 at that time.I have/had MRTs that were 5-6 years old... I've only see 1 die, and that was because someone plugged it in backwards.
12-02-2013 | 08:21 AM
#110
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 15,743
From: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
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12-02-2013 | 08:26 AM
#111
At best, they haven't changed price.http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ed-Transponder
Exchange rates are a *****.
There are a lot of europe/japan parts I want for other hobbies
12-02-2013 | 08:35 AM
#112
I don't know this from first hand info but it was mentioned in the thread on the RC4 upgrade (earlier this year) that MyLaps did sue MRT and lost the case.
If you had taken the time and energy to read Howard Cano's thread on developing his own transponders you would understand why you have to send an AMB transponder to MRT for cloning and that it has nothing to do with copying MyLaps code or hardware.
But since you didn't, I will explain it to you.... (though I won't be able to understand it for you):
No one, AFAIK knows the correspondence between a transponder number (the 7 digits you see written on a MyLaps transponder) and the encoding of the signal a transponder generates. So in order for MRT to make a clone transponder that reads your number, they must read the signal.
They are not reading the code or the program or taking anything apart, they are just reading the signal, so they can reproduce that signal in the cloned transponder. Then they create their own program to produce that signal, and load it into the computer inside the cloned transponder. That way, the clone will show up with your number when it is read by the decoder.
The reason that MyLaps was able to disable the original MRT transponders with the RC4 upgrade is that the state transitions inside the signal were not exactly the same as in AMB/MyLaps transponders. This shows that MRT did not copy AMB hardware or program. So the RC4 Decoder started filtering based on the signal state transitions as well as the data values encoded in the signal.
MRT figured this out and changed their hardware so that the transitions, as well as the data values more closely matched the original signal they recorded when reading the transponder for cloning. This meant the RC4 could no longer detect them as being different from original AMB transponders. This is evidenced by the three "New System" MRT transponders I have that work fine with RC4 decoders.
That's the explanation of why they are not copying MyLaps hardware or software. Understanding is up to you.
If you had taken the time and energy to read Howard Cano's thread on developing his own transponders you would understand why you have to send an AMB transponder to MRT for cloning and that it has nothing to do with copying MyLaps code or hardware.
But since you didn't, I will explain it to you.... (though I won't be able to understand it for you):
No one, AFAIK knows the correspondence between a transponder number (the 7 digits you see written on a MyLaps transponder) and the encoding of the signal a transponder generates. So in order for MRT to make a clone transponder that reads your number, they must read the signal.
They are not reading the code or the program or taking anything apart, they are just reading the signal, so they can reproduce that signal in the cloned transponder. Then they create their own program to produce that signal, and load it into the computer inside the cloned transponder. That way, the clone will show up with your number when it is read by the decoder.
The reason that MyLaps was able to disable the original MRT transponders with the RC4 upgrade is that the state transitions inside the signal were not exactly the same as in AMB/MyLaps transponders. This shows that MRT did not copy AMB hardware or program. So the RC4 Decoder started filtering based on the signal state transitions as well as the data values encoded in the signal.
MRT figured this out and changed their hardware so that the transitions, as well as the data values more closely matched the original signal they recorded when reading the transponder for cloning. This meant the RC4 could no longer detect them as being different from original AMB transponders. This is evidenced by the three "New System" MRT transponders I have that work fine with RC4 decoders.
That's the explanation of why they are not copying MyLaps hardware or software. Understanding is up to you.
A timing loop is merely an antenna that is constantly searching for signals which are emitted by the transponders. What MRT did was figure out the frequency of that signal and then assigned unique numbers to their transponders so that the MyLaps/AMB system would detect them. That doesn't mean they copied or "cloned" anything.
Bottom line, MRT is not doing anything illegal. They merely engineered a component that is compatible with preexisting AMB/Mylaps systems. This is no different than buying and using a Motorola Bluetooth earpiece with a Samsung or Apple phone. Probably a more Red Apples to Green Apples comparison, but that's the gist of it.
12-02-2013 | 08:40 AM
#113
AMBs are $110... At best, they haven't changed price.
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ed-Transponder
Exchange rates are a *****. There are a lot of europe/japan parts I want for other hobbies
At best, they haven't changed price.http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ed-Transponder
Exchange rates are a *****.
There are a lot of europe/japan parts I want for other hobbieshttp://shop.mylaps.com/index.php/us_...op2/rc4_car_id
12-02-2013 | 08:51 AM
#114
That's for the Hybrid the RC4s are $89 dollars. Right now MyLaps is having a discount of 25% for custom number and additional car IDs, if you have a transponder you can additional car IDs for $67.00
http://shop.mylaps.com/index.php/us_...op2/rc4_car_id
http://shop.mylaps.com/index.php/us_...op2/rc4_car_id
They're running a sale, your point is?
12-02-2013 | 10:37 AM
#116
12-02-2013 | 10:54 AM
#117
You can put you DP, or Hybrid number on the order page at MyLaps... then order more of that number. Only thing is, the new ones will be rc4 purcy's. Have to use your DP, or hybrid at tracks with an rc, or rc3 decoder.
12-02-2013 | 01:02 PM
#119
The original DP transponder did not have a "TVC" code so you can't order a RC4 clone of an original DP number.
What's a "TVC" code? Just 3 characters printed on a RC4 transponder that lets you order additional Car ID transponders.
12-02-2013 | 01:42 PM
#120
You can't order a clone of a DP from MyLaps. Having ordered clones of one of my RC4s, I will tell you from experience, you need the "TVC" code printed on the RC4 in addition to the 7 digit number to order additional RC4 "clones" (Technically called "Car ID" transponders by MyLaps).
The original DP transponder did not have a "TVC" code so you can't order a RC4 clone of an original DP number.
What's a "TVC" code? Just 3 characters printed on a RC4 transponder that lets you order additional Car ID transponders.
The original DP transponder did not have a "TVC" code so you can't order a RC4 clone of an original DP number.
What's a "TVC" code? Just 3 characters printed on a RC4 transponder that lets you order additional Car ID transponders.