SMC LIPO BATTERY THREAD
#2821
I'm not sure everybodys expectations are reallistic.
I probably have 20 lipos, literally, all brands including Trinty, TP, SMC, MaxAmps, Protek, Orion and almost none of them balance perfect. They are all within .01-.03. Anything within .05 is fine. I monitor them pretty close. My Orion 5000 90c is .05 out. That bugs me a little. .4, not .04, is pretty ridiculous but .03? That's really not significant. I use a mix of chargers but primarily I use my Orion Touch units. Those are pretty decent. I just started using SMCs again. I used them back in the day when they were twice as much. Back then they were an excellent pack. I'm still not sure about the ones they sell now but I will say that I wouldn't even notice or even be concerned if they don't balance dead on.
I probably have 20 lipos, literally, all brands including Trinty, TP, SMC, MaxAmps, Protek, Orion and almost none of them balance perfect. They are all within .01-.03. Anything within .05 is fine. I monitor them pretty close. My Orion 5000 90c is .05 out. That bugs me a little. .4, not .04, is pretty ridiculous but .03? That's really not significant. I use a mix of chargers but primarily I use my Orion Touch units. Those are pretty decent. I just started using SMCs again. I used them back in the day when they were twice as much. Back then they were an excellent pack. I'm still not sure about the ones they sell now but I will say that I wouldn't even notice or even be concerned if they don't balance dead on.
#2823
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,090
From: Antelope Valley, CA
My charger seems to know when to call it quits. I actually understand your question about that. Its weird because all of my chargers seem to have a cut off....maybe they stop when the amperage drops to near zero and the cells just can't take any more. I also charge my packs pretty aggressively, some of the bigger packs @ 7amps. The other thing that I always look at is the IR which my charger shows me and the SMC packs are inline with the rest.....I want to say 28-30 ohms? I really need to start writing that stuff down. I want to be clear that I'm totally objective and not trying to sell SMC packs. I just ordered a bunch more and I'll give everybody an honest assesment. The 2 5800s that I have in service now seem to work ok but they're not blowing my mind or anything. If I had to pic a "best" pack I'd say the 40c TP packs that they sold a couple of years ago were the best. They had a lot of punch for a 40c pack....as much as their 65c packs. I find the orange Trinity 65c lipos to be pretty good too. I do have an old Hobby People 35C 5000 that I run in my kids slash. I'll charge it and post up what I find in terms of balance....as far as punch its borderline sucky but it has never swelled or done anything weird.
#2824
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,090
From: Antelope Valley, CA
I put that old battery on the charger. Amazingly it still reads 29.4 ohms of resistance and is already @ 4.18/4.19. I probably have not touched it in 9 months to a year. That's amazing.
Is it possible that the higher the C rating the more volatile the cells are? I don't know. I'm curious.
Is it possible that the higher the C rating the more volatile the cells are? I don't know. I'm curious.
#2825
Cant say I am terribly impressed at present. Batteries are reasonable on track but the cells are starting to go out of balance very quickly. I have 4x SMC 6500mah 70c 14.8v packs, 3 of them are out by 0.05 and one of them has one cell dropped 0.4v from the rest.
2 of the packs are 3 race meets old, the other 2 are 2 race meets old. Always balance charged, always stored at 3.8v.
2 of the packs are 3 race meets old, the other 2 are 2 race meets old. Always balance charged, always stored at 3.8v.
But .05v is nothing. Those cells are fine.
#2826
Have you contacted anyone with SMC yet? Danny will most likely want to hear about this and probably have some questions for you...might even have a solution for you after he hears all the details. There is a link a couple post up by me to the U.S. Smc homepage, if you contact them he will get back to you.
While all the batteries are out I am not too concerned, as discrepancy is expected parictularly with batteries, but yeh that one that is .4 out is a worry. Might try and cycle it and see if the charger can wrangle it back in line.
It may well be a dud (and I accept that every product no matter how good has the occasional dud) so we will see how the others fare with more time.
#2827
When it comes to this sort of thing I usually just write it off as I am in Australia, so getting warrantied is usually more effort than its worth.
While all the batteries are out I am not too concerned, as discrepancy is expected parictularly with batteries, but yeh that one that is .4 out is a worry. Might try and cycle it and see if the charger can wrangle it back in line.
It may well be a dud (and I accept that every product no matter how good has the occasional dud) so we will see how the others fare with more time.
While all the batteries are out I am not too concerned, as discrepancy is expected parictularly with batteries, but yeh that one that is .4 out is a worry. Might try and cycle it and see if the charger can wrangle it back in line.
It may well be a dud (and I accept that every product no matter how good has the occasional dud) so we will see how the others fare with more time.
Cheers Justin
#2828
Hi Suteki, as the Smc importer for Australia I'd like to know the details, I'm sure I can look after you even if you bought the packs direct from Smc previous to me importing there products, I don't believe .03 is an issue on an older pack but .4 is a concern, please call me on 0438238189 and well work something out, Danny, myself and all the international importers stand behind our products and unless it's user abuse well all be to happy to help out.
Cheers Justin
Cheers Justin
I am just in the process of storage charging a few of the packs again now. I will give you final readings when they are done. Worth noting I thought the other 3 packs were out up to .05 but one pack is in .02 tolerance which is great of course.
#2829
Hey justin, I did purchase the pack from yourself. Just have to check and see if I still have the paypal receipt.
I am just in the process of storage charging a few of the packs again now. I will give you final readings when they are done. Worth noting I thought the other 3 packs were out up to .05 but one pack is in .02 tolerance which is great of course.
I am just in the process of storage charging a few of the packs again now. I will give you final readings when they are done. Worth noting I thought the other 3 packs were out up to .05 but one pack is in .02 tolerance which is great of course.
No worries, send me a email with the details [email protected]
I'll replace the pack with a cell at .4 difference, I'm sure the others at .05 and less will be fine, just curious as to what you have your LVC set at.
Just a note, all packs that we sell are checked when they arrive from the factory and if the cells are more then .01 of a volt in difference they are not sold, the packs are also re-tested before they are shipped for piece of mind and the voltages put in the box, the IR is also checked for parity with the other cells.
Cheers Justin
#2830
No worries, send me a email with the details [email protected]
I'll replace the pack with a cell at .4 difference, I'm sure the others at .05 and less will be fine, just curious as to what you have your LVC set at.
Just a note, all packs that we sell are checked when they arrive from the factory and if the cells are more then .01 of a volt in difference they are not sold, the packs are also re-tested before they are shipped for piece of mind and the voltages put in the box, the IR is also checked for parity with the other cells.
Cheers Justin
I'll replace the pack with a cell at .4 difference, I'm sure the others at .05 and less will be fine, just curious as to what you have your LVC set at.
Just a note, all packs that we sell are checked when they arrive from the factory and if the cells are more then .01 of a volt in difference they are not sold, the packs are also re-tested before they are shipped for piece of mind and the voltages put in the box, the IR is also checked for parity with the other cells.
Cheers Justin
As I said, 2 of the other batteries are measuring between .07 or less out, which still seems a little high to me? One is fine at .02 between all cells. But the .4 is a concern. Just doing a cycle on it at the moment to see what it comes back at with another balance charge at it has very few cycles through it. There has been no puffing as far as I can tell as the case looks to be intact. I am wondering if it has a bad solder somewhere in the case. I run foam underneath my batteries on the battery tray just to take out any extra shock also. Anyway I will see what happens with this cycle and email you the voltages of the 4 packs. Unfortunately dont have any way of measuring ir.
#2831
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 15,739
From: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
My charger seems to know when to call it quits. I actually understand your question about that. Its weird because all of my chargers seem to have a cut off....maybe they stop when the amperage drops to near zero and the cells just can't take any more. I also charge my packs pretty aggressively, some of the bigger packs @ 7amps. The other thing that I always look at is the IR which my charger shows me and the SMC packs are inline with the rest.....I want to say 28-30 ohms? I really need to start writing that stuff down. I want to be clear that I'm totally objective and not trying to sell SMC packs. I just ordered a bunch more and I'll give everybody an honest assesment. The 2 5800s that I have in service now seem to work ok but they're not blowing my mind or anything. If I had to pic a "best" pack I'd say the 40c TP packs that they sold a couple of years ago were the best. They had a lot of punch for a 40c pack....as much as their 65c packs. I find the orange Trinity 65c lipos to be pretty good too. I do have an old Hobby People 35C 5000 that I run in my kids slash. I'll charge it and post up what I find in terms of balance....as far as punch its borderline sucky but it has never swelled or done anything weird.
#2832
I just put in an order for a few packs! Can't wait.....
I don't know what it is about these old hobby people lipos(5000 2s) I have, but I've been charging them at 20amps for the past year and they won't give up..... I can't wait to give these smc's a shot.
I don't know what it is about these old hobby people lipos(5000 2s) I have, but I've been charging them at 20amps for the past year and they won't give up..... I can't wait to give these smc's a shot.
#2833
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,090
From: Antelope Valley, CA
I only know one other guy who charges batteries at more than 5 amps. Since most cells are rated to charge at 2s 7 amps is low.....most people consider that aggressive....as far as I know.
#2835
Aggressive would be charging at 4-6c which for a 5000 mah pack would be 20-30 amps, Danny does alot of testing with all his packs before he decides to put the SMC name on them, he doesn't just buy packs and slap stickers on like some companies do. Danny's testing shows his packs can handle a 6c charge, of course that will drastically reduce the cycle life of the pack. Danny recomends charging no lower than 2c.



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