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marine6680 06-17-2010 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by rajeshs (Post 7553471)
Thanks - for replying.

Well you are right :) The tip was covered with black sticky kind of coating.

I got a new replacement tip and I feel like I got off a bicycle and sat in a Mustang!!!!!!!

It solders under 2 secs. Infact now it heats up the wires so fast that I sometimes melt a previously soldered connection that is near by (if the same wire is running between them).

So I am having to learn to - first let the previous solder cool. Then solder the next connection and be quick about it!

Oh by-the-way :) After I had asked you about sanding and filing the tip and hadn't heard from you for a couple of days - I actually went ahead and did it!!!

And yes - I damaged the tip :) But I learnt from this experience.

What I am trying to learn now is - applying the heat to the component and the solder to the component. Occassionally am getting the solder all stuck up on the tip! and nothing on the component.

I hope I am done bothering you :) Thanks for the detailed post - I guess I am good to go on my own now.

Thought so, good to hear.

Just remember to let things cool if the solder joints are near each other. You can also try wrapping a piece of damp cloth or paper towel around the wire to slow heat transfer to other components.

Dave H 11-11-2010 04:09 AM

Time for a bump, been lots of soldering questions lately.

orgnoi1 11-11-2010 04:27 AM

Very good write up... and while I do TONS of soldering I still learned a trick or two from reading it... thanks for taking the time... and... happy Veterans Day!

TheGasman 01-03-2011 12:34 PM

First off let me say that this is an awesome "write up" thread!! Since I am giving up nitro and committing to electric, its time I get the tools of the trade. I think I have found the soldering station I want below. Its the Team Checkpoint TC950. I believe I read it is the same thing as the Hakko 936 but $10 cheaper. Correct? My biggest concern is I have read alot where different people recommend getting a good solder and good flux. I was wondering if anyone can suggest exact brands, and where to get them? I have looked at several big hardware stores but really didnt come up with much. Any good places online to get soldering supplies? Thanks!

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXWFJ8&P=0

marine6680 01-04-2011 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by TheGasman (Post 8429132)
First off let me say that this is an awesome "write up" thread!! Since I am giving up nitro and committing to electric, its time I get the tools of the trade. I think I have found the soldering station I want below. Its the Team Checkpoint TC950. I believe I read it is the same thing as the Hakko 936 but $10 cheaper. Correct? My biggest concern is I have read alot where different people recommend getting a good solder and good flux. I was wondering if anyone can suggest exact brands, and where to get them? I have looked at several big hardware stores but really didnt come up with much. Any good places online to get soldering supplies? Thanks!

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXWFJ8&P=0

That is a good iron. Kester brand is one of the bigest and most common high quality solder and flux brand I know. You can find their stuff all over the internet, try amazon and ebay.

I'm guessing that unless I visit this site more regularly, it will not send me email updates on thread replies. I'm down to one R/C that is just a basher, so I'm not on here for setup tips much any more. I do want to stay on top of this thread so I can help answer questions though.

marine6680 01-04-2011 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by orgnoi1 (Post 8195189)
Very good write up... and while I do TONS of soldering I still learned a trick or two from reading it... thanks for taking the time... and... happy Veterans Day!

And if you din't know, Marine Corps Birthday is Nov 10th as well. :cool:

TheGasman 01-04-2011 01:24 PM

Thanks Marine! I actually ended up ordering the Hakko 936 from Amain last night since I had a credit from them I had forgotten about. I thought of a couple of other places to check for the solder and flux so I will look there this weekend and if nothing turns up I will just buy online.

Thanks again and good day to you!!

drewmugx5t 01-04-2011 02:39 PM

I want a good iron but not too fond of spending $80 if I don't have to. Someone suggested this iron on our local forum. http://http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7508. What do you think? He says he has owned for about 5 years and has never had to replace the tip. And he uses it for work as well as at the track. Thanks for the awesome tutorial.

marine6680 01-04-2011 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by drewmugx5t (Post 8435489)
I want a good iron but not too fond of spending $80 if I don't have to. Someone suggested this iron on our local forum. http://http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7508. What do you think? He says he has owned for about 5 years and has never had to replace the tip. And he uses it for work as well as at the track. Thanks for the awesome tutorial.

Looks to be a decent iron.

I suggest the 3.2 or 4mm tip for ESC and connector soldering jobs.

Added this iron to the first post as well.

drewmugx5t 01-07-2011 06:41 PM

Thanks Marine. I'm going to order it next week as well as some extra tips just incase. Thanks again for such an awesome write-up.

drewmugx5t 01-10-2011 07:27 AM

Marine can you suggest a good place to get the liquid rma flux in a smaller quantity? All I'm finding is the pens and gallon sizes of flux. I did find a 2oz. Tub of rma paste flux. Is that stuff any good or is the liquid better? Here is the link http://www.frys.com/product/6479492

marine6680 01-11-2011 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by drewmugx5t (Post 8463844)
Marine can you suggest a good place to get the liquid rma flux in a smaller quantity? All I'm finding is the pens and gallon sizes of flux. I did find a 2oz. Tub of rma paste flux. Is that stuff any good or is the liquid better? Here is the link http://www.frys.com/product/6479492

I get mine from work. :lol: So I have to search online just like you.

Paste flux works very well.

drewmugx5t 01-11-2011 07:40 AM

Gotcha. I will just get the paste then. It's less likely to make a mess anyway in my trailer while I'm riding down the road LOL.

drewmugx5t 01-12-2011 06:36 PM

They quit making the station I was going to order so I called them and they recommended this one same iron and holder and it's supposed a better unit so I will report back and let everyone know what I think of it. I need to shorten my servo leads and rewire a starter box so I will have a variety of work to do with it.
Here is the link http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/9747

marine6680 01-12-2011 09:57 PM

Sounds good.

schnellschnell 01-14-2011 07:56 AM

Thanks for the well written information.

I am about to order some 63/37 solder and they come in different thicknesses. You mentioned buying the thinnest (I can only get one) which is .6mm. They also have .8 and 1.0.

Seems pretty thin, for 1/8 scale car and 450 class heli soldering would a .8 be more ideal?

Thanks again,

j

drewmugx5t 01-14-2011 12:55 PM

Circuitspecialists.com have it down to .4mm I think

marine6680 01-15-2011 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by schnellschnell (Post 8486640)
Thanks for the well written information.

I am about to order some 63/37 solder and they come in different thicknesses. You mentioned buying the thinnest (I can only get one) which is .6mm. They also have .8 and 1.0.

Seems pretty thin, for 1/8 scale car and 450 class heli soldering would a .8 be more ideal?

Thanks again,

j

I would buy both, if I could, but if forced I would buy thin. You can fold the thin stuff together to make a thicker strand. That way you can have thin for small stuff and still solder larger.

CWatters 01-16-2011 04:48 AM

I haven't read all of this thread but there is one thing I couldn't see mentioned and that's the size of the bit/iron is more important than the power of the iron.

When you apply the iron to the workpiece the workpiece cools the bit. If the bit has too little thermal mass the temperature will drop a lot and it's very unlikely the heating element in the iron can compensate and reheat the iron fast enough. An iron with twice the copper mass is usually better than one with twice the wattage (although obviously they go hand in hand to some extent).

marine6680 01-17-2011 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by CWatters (Post 8494596)
I haven't read all of this thread but there is one thing I couldn't see mentioned and that's the size of the bit/iron is more important than the power of the iron.

When you apply the iron to the workpiece the workpiece cools the bit. If the bit has too little thermal mass the temperature will drop a lot and it's very unlikely the heating element in the iron can compensate and reheat the iron fast enough. An iron with twice the copper mass is usually better than one with twice the wattage (although obviously they go hand in hand to some extent).

Thats what thermal recovery is for, ceramic elements are lower wattage but heat faster. That is why you need a good iron. A bigger tip holds heat better and do not drop as many degrees when using it. So it is important to use the right size tip.

I will go through the post and make a note of it if it is not in there.

drewmugx5t 01-17-2011 07:25 PM

I got my iron today. I used it to shorten my throttle servo wires. I was able to use the tiny tip to do it Inside the case so I don't have a splice in my wires. The iron worked perfectly heated up really fast. I am really impressed so far. I will give another report as I use it more. The rma flux I got worked really well too. Iron was set at 650 degrees.

marine6680 01-18-2011 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by drewmugx5t (Post 8504425)
I got my iron today. I used it to shorten my throttle servo wires. I was able to use the tiny tip to do it Inside the case so I don't have a splice in my wires. The iron worked perfectly heated up really fast. I am really impressed so far. I will give another report as I use it more. The rma flux I got worked really well too. Iron was set at 650 degrees.

Sounds good. The small stuff, 600-625* should work just as well.

racer53 01-18-2011 07:10 AM

I just read your soldering "lesson"...GREAT JOB...i already solder but it was cool to read over this...

marine6680 01-19-2011 01:20 AM


Originally Posted by racer53 (Post 8506446)
I just read your soldering "lesson"...GREAT JOB...i already solder but it was cool to read over this...

A refresher never hurts.

gashuffer 01-19-2011 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by marine6680 (Post 6489163)
I was trained in the Navy/Marine Corps soldering school...

Man you ain't kidding:lol:
Nice tut.

Dave H 02-21-2011 06:35 PM

Been a while, needs a bump.

fanlynne 02-22-2011 12:58 AM

The erosion process increases with heat, (I think its on the level of doubling for every 10*C) and in the presence of reactive compounds like acids. (flux is a form of acid, RMA is weak compared to other types and is best for long tip life) Iron as we all know reacts easily with oxygen (rust) even at room temp, and acids make this worse.

marine6680 02-22-2011 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Dave H (Post 8689434)
Been a while, needs a bump.

A bump is always good. :D

BlueEagle 02-26-2011 08:01 PM

Thanks much for posting this Marine6680. As someone who has been doing this off/on for about 20 years from trial and error, your post and videos have definitely shown me what I've been doing wrong. Hopefully I'll never have another DNF due to a solder joint coming loose after I redo all my wiring this weekend. :)

marine6680 02-27-2011 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by BlueEagle (Post 8715211)
Thanks much for posting this Marine6680. As someone who has been doing this off/on for about 20 years from trial and error, your post and videos have definitely shown me what I've been doing wrong. Hopefully I'll never have another DNF due to a solder joint coming loose after I redo all my wiring this weekend. :)

You,re welcome. Good Luck

icebreaka 03-01-2011 10:41 AM

SOLDER
 
Hi,

Just wondering if I've bought the right solder. I went to an electronics store and got the cheapest I could find $1.95 60% tin 40% lead. Is that good enough?

I can buy solder from my LHS if I need to, they sell the following:

Much More Super Solder:
Ag:4%, Sn:62%, PB:34%
Thickness:1.0mm
Temperature:179degrees Celcious
26grams

And they also sell "NOVAK LEAD FREE SOLDER 15G"

Thanks for your help!

Chip73 03-01-2011 06:25 PM

Best write up on soldering so far. Thought I was doing it right but went and bought the 63/37 lead solder and flux. Night and day, made a world of difference. I think my tip is ruined since I was using sand paper to clean it but lesson learned. Thanks.

marine6680 03-02-2011 12:58 AM


Originally Posted by icebreaka (Post 8729510)
Hi,

Just wondering if I've bought the right solder. I went to an electronics store and got the cheapest I could find $1.95 60% tin 40% lead. Is that good enough?

I can buy solder from my LHS if I need to, they sell the following:

Much More Super Solder:
Ag:4%, Sn:62%, PB:34%
Thickness:1.0mm
Temperature:179degrees Celcious
26grams

And they also sell "NOVAK LEAD FREE SOLDER 15G"

Thanks for your help!

Like I said in my post, 60/40 is fine. It is the most common and cheapest. Silver solder is costly and not needed. Avoid lead free solder like the plague.

Get 63/37 if possible. (63% tin 37% lead)


Originally Posted by Chip73 (Post 8731958)
Best write up on soldering so far. Thought I was doing it right but went and bought the 63/37 lead solder and flux. Night and day, made a world of difference. I think my tip is ruined since I was using sand paper to clean it but lesson learned. Thanks.

Glad to help.

Delawareguy 03-13-2011 12:39 PM

Soldering Station vs. Iron?
 
This may have been asked already in this thread and if so I apologize but why is a soldering station better than a soldering iron? Is the performance that much better to justify the price difference?

Thanks.

marine6680 03-14-2011 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Delawareguy (Post 8794388)
This may have been asked already in this thread and if so I apologize but why is a soldering station better than a soldering iron? Is the performance that much better to justify the price difference?

Thanks.

A simple soldering iron, is just an on/off affair with a coil wire heating element.

A soldering station (a good quality one) has a ceramic heating element that lets you select a specific temperature.

In a word... Yes they do justify the price. Someone posted one that is cheaper at around $50 if the others are a bit too much.

The full first post gives a good set of reasons as to why they are better, but if you have any specific questions let me know.

Creating a good solder joint with a cheap iron is difficult. Even with all my experience, I find it a pain to use one. In the hands of less experienced persons, it can cause issues, and you wouldn't even realize it. Bad solder work can cause failures in ways you would never think.

SPN 03-14-2011 05:17 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the new Hakko FX-888 Station is the newer model to the 936. This iron is awesome...smaller foot print and better performance then the 936.

I can also get these irons for anyone interested. (PM for pricing)

I've received great feedback from the those who have used my iron this past weekend at the Elite Indoor Challenge.

Carey

Chook1e 03-14-2011 09:56 PM

De-solder ?
 
Must first state excellent thread. I have purchased a few 2nd hand parts recently, any tips on de-soldering / clean-up of existing components?

rcpocky 03-15-2011 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Toh WL (Post 6745087)
I suggest a video clip is just good enough for beginners. As many will be blur when reading the texts.

I can't post links yet, but this is a video on soldering for beginners.

videos.rcnightmare.com/rc-solder-how-to-safety-tips.html
Hope it helps!

Marine- great great post. Never too much information!!

marine6680 03-15-2011 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by SPN (Post 8801385)
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the new Hakko FX-888 Station is the newer model to the 936. This iron is awesome...smaller foot print and better performance then the 936.

I can also get these irons for anyone interested. (PM for pricing)

I've received great feedback from the those who have used my iron this past weekend at the Elite Indoor Challenge.

Carey

Yeah I added that to my post the other day. It looks nice.


Originally Posted by Chook1e (Post 8803186)
Must first state excellent thread. I have purchased a few 2nd hand parts recently, any tips on de-soldering / clean-up of existing components?

Get some solder wick or a desolder bulb. Solder wick is a spool of braided copper wire, put a drop or two of fresh flux on it when you use it and it works better.

Use some new flux and solder to coat the parts and then use the solder wick or desolder tool to remove it. That should leave a shiny clean surface. Actually, you don't really need the desolder tool, with the part still hot, you can pick up the part and flick the extra solder off. Pretend your getting ketchup out of a glass bottle. Just be careful not to get it in your eye. Do that to get most of the extra off then use the solder wick to finish up.


Originally Posted by rcpocky (Post 8804589)
I can't post links yet, but this is a video on soldering for beginners.

videos.rcnightmare.com/rc-solder-how-to-safety-tips.html
Hope it helps!

Marine- great great post. Never too much information!!

I will look at that vid, and I may add it as well.

andrewdoherty 03-27-2011 11:12 PM

Love the info. I consider myself an expert in soldering for R/C purposes and its nice to know I am not alone in loving a clean strong joint. I don't know if y'all have a Fry's by you, but here's a link to some solder that is about 50% less than the Kester. I will have a spool in a few days so PM me in a couple weeks if you'd like to know how its working out.


http://www.frys.com/category/Outpost...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG


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