Balancing tab configuration?
03-17-2009 | 06:27 PM
#1
Balancing tab configuration?
i bought a hyperion charger and want to put balancing tabs on my a123 packs...
i am not sure how they go on there?! can someone help me and show me how to wire them?
thanks,
G
i am not sure how they go on there?! can someone help me and show me how to wire them?
thanks,
G
03-17-2009 | 06:46 PM
#2
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,530
From: Houston, TX
Start here - its discussed in there somewhere or theres a pic of one wired so you can get the idea. Def buy the hyperion 7 wire a123 balance tap harness -
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=3169
Lastly chase down the LBA10 balancer manual, see top of last page I believe for a wiring diagram -
http://www.allerc.com/Pictures/LBA10...Manual-ENG.pdf
The wiring is very literal.
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=3169
Lastly chase down the LBA10 balancer manual, see top of last page I believe for a wiring diagram -
http://www.allerc.com/Pictures/LBA10...Manual-ENG.pdf
The wiring is very literal.
03-17-2009 | 06:50 PM
#3
Start here - its discussed in there somewhere or theres a pic of one wired so you can get the idea. Def buy the hyperion 7 wire a123 balance tap harness -
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=3169
Lastly chase down the LBA10 balancer manual, see top of last page I believe for a wiring diagram -
http://www.allerc.com/Pictures/LBA10...Manual-ENG.pdf
The wiring is very literal.
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=3169
Lastly chase down the LBA10 balancer manual, see top of last page I believe for a wiring diagram -
http://www.allerc.com/Pictures/LBA10...Manual-ENG.pdf
The wiring is very literal.
thanks,
G
p.s. i just looked at the manual, a bit confusing for me, ha ha. have to study it for a while...thanks again.
03-17-2009 | 06:59 PM
#4
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,530
From: Houston, TX
Its really simple, but it takes a little to figure out what needs to be done. I've got some notes somewhere...
Def make sure you follow the wire harness note - all thewires you're actually going to use have to be the same length. My 5S and 6S pacs are big enough, I didn't cut them, just taped them down and out of the way.
I didn't do this on my 1st one, I cut them - that note wasn't posted on All e RC yet and finally had to ask why my 1st pac was taking forever to balance!
Def make sure you follow the wire harness note - all thewires you're actually going to use have to be the same length. My 5S and 6S pacs are big enough, I didn't cut them, just taped them down and out of the way.
I didn't do this on my 1st one, I cut them - that note wasn't posted on All e RC yet and finally had to ask why my 1st pac was taking forever to balance!
03-17-2009 | 09:54 PM
#5
Its really simple, but it takes a little to figure out what needs to be done. I've got some notes somewhere...
Def make sure you follow the wire harness note - all thewires you're actually going to use have to be the same length. My 5S and 6S pacs are big enough, I didn't cut them, just taped them down and out of the way.
I didn't do this on my 1st one, I cut them - that note wasn't posted on All e RC yet and finally had to ask why my 1st pac was taking forever to balance!
Def make sure you follow the wire harness note - all thewires you're actually going to use have to be the same length. My 5S and 6S pacs are big enough, I didn't cut them, just taped them down and out of the way.
I didn't do this on my 1st one, I cut them - that note wasn't posted on All e RC yet and finally had to ask why my 1st pac was taking forever to balance!
G
03-17-2009 | 10:17 PM
#6
...i don't really get it?! what is the LBA10-A123 manual for? just for me to see how to wire the tabs, right? if i have the hyperion duo, do i need anything else to charge the a123 packs? what i don't get as well is: if i want to put balancing tabs on packs that are in series, i kinda get it. but if a pack is also in parallel, how is that gonna work?
thanks,
G
p.s. i have PC power supply that i was using for my sonic a123 systems charger and my triton...it has 255 WATTS at 12V...i should be fine with it, right? why using one that costs $100 bucks?
thanks,
G
p.s. i have PC power supply that i was using for my sonic a123 systems charger and my triton...it has 255 WATTS at 12V...i should be fine with it, right? why using one that costs $100 bucks?
Last edited by assivaen; 03-18-2009 at 12:48 AM.
03-18-2009 | 03:50 AM
#7
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,530
From: Houston, TX
I'm still looking - you solder the balance wires directly to the cell - Deans solder worked without any probs.
As far as the PC PS - yes, it'll work fine. 255watts - DUO is basically 2 chargers built into one case - that power is shared. If you push the power on both sides, there will be a limit.
I didn't do parallel - I made 5S1P pacs and then externally, wire them in parallel, but I charge/balance them separately. I think you'll have to wire them for two plugs and build a parallel balance harness to hook them up. Not certain about that though....
LBA10 was out really early and Hyperion put a lot of stuff in there that was coming from customers.
As far as the PC PS - yes, it'll work fine. 255watts - DUO is basically 2 chargers built into one case - that power is shared. If you push the power on both sides, there will be a limit.
I didn't do parallel - I made 5S1P pacs and then externally, wire them in parallel, but I charge/balance them separately. I think you'll have to wire them for two plugs and build a parallel balance harness to hook them up. Not certain about that though....
LBA10 was out really early and Hyperion put a lot of stuff in there that was coming from customers.
03-19-2009 | 10:36 AM
#10
yes, the one you showed me. they are in the mail. ETA today or tomorrow...
every diagram i see for wiring balancing tabs are for cells in series but not in series and parallel...cant be that hard?!
thanks,
G
every diagram i see for wiring balancing tabs are for cells in series but not in series and parallel...cant be that hard?!
thanks,
G
03-19-2009 | 05:55 PM
#11
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,530
From: Houston, TX
Good, think thats half the prob, getting the right harness.
When you get the harness, there is one red wire and 6 black wires. The red goes to "pac positive". I put it right next to the red main power lead going to the deans. For series, there will be one more wire than # of cells. One pac positive and one wire on each. Parallel shouldn't be diff.
If you looked at the RCGroups how to, I did pretty much everything he did, except my 5 cells were in a side by side flat pac arrangement. Number them like he did and wire them in sequence - the 2nd wire in the harness, next wire down from the red wire - the 1st black - is the neg for the cell you used as pack positive. The rest - follow the numbers you put on the cells in order on the plastic connector.
Nice thing - mock this up and connect it and see if it works before you make anything permanent. Some solder will need flux to stick on the tabs, I didn't solder to the cells themselves and Deans solder didn't need flux.
When you get the harness, there is one red wire and 6 black wires. The red goes to "pac positive". I put it right next to the red main power lead going to the deans. For series, there will be one more wire than # of cells. One pac positive and one wire on each. Parallel shouldn't be diff.
If you looked at the RCGroups how to, I did pretty much everything he did, except my 5 cells were in a side by side flat pac arrangement. Number them like he did and wire them in sequence - the 2nd wire in the harness, next wire down from the red wire - the 1st black - is the neg for the cell you used as pack positive. The rest - follow the numbers you put on the cells in order on the plastic connector.
Nice thing - mock this up and connect it and see if it works before you make anything permanent. Some solder will need flux to stick on the tabs, I didn't solder to the cells themselves and Deans solder didn't need flux.
03-19-2009 | 06:24 PM
#12
Good, think thats half the prob, getting the right harness.
When you get the harness, there is one red wire and 6 black wires. The red goes to "pac positive". I put it right next to the red main power lead going to the deans. For series, there will be one more wire than # of cells. One pac positive and one wire on each. Parallel shouldn't be diff.
If you looked at the RCGroups how to, I did pretty much everything he did, except my 5 cells were in a side by side flat pac arrangement. Number them like he did and wire them in sequence - the 2nd wire in the harness, next wire down from the red wire - the 1st black - is the neg for the cell you used as pack positive. The rest - follow the numbers you put on the cells in order on the plastic connector.
Nice thing - mock this up and connect it and see if it works before you make anything permanent. Some solder will need flux to stick on the tabs, I didn't solder to the cells themselves and Deans solder didn't need flux.
When you get the harness, there is one red wire and 6 black wires. The red goes to "pac positive". I put it right next to the red main power lead going to the deans. For series, there will be one more wire than # of cells. One pac positive and one wire on each. Parallel shouldn't be diff.
If you looked at the RCGroups how to, I did pretty much everything he did, except my 5 cells were in a side by side flat pac arrangement. Number them like he did and wire them in sequence - the 2nd wire in the harness, next wire down from the red wire - the 1st black - is the neg for the cell you used as pack positive. The rest - follow the numbers you put on the cells in order on the plastic connector.
Nice thing - mock this up and connect it and see if it works before you make anything permanent. Some solder will need flux to stick on the tabs, I didn't solder to the cells themselves and Deans solder didn't need flux.
03-19-2009 | 07:06 PM
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