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branman18 03-31-2022 02:44 PM

iCharger DX8
 
Finally got my hands on the new icharger DX8. Ask me any questions
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...d0bb1387a.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...54117c0dd.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...f68f29bc1.jpeg

Silverbullet555 03-31-2022 04:56 PM

Didn't know they were out. How much? How would you compare it to 406 Duo a capability as well as ease of use?

glennhl 03-31-2022 04:59 PM

Ask you any question? OK, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

elk 03-31-2022 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by glennhl (Post 15890488)
Ask you any question? OK, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

African or European?

Toet 04-01-2022 12:35 AM

When will it be available at regular retailers?
When will the DX6 come out?
How does it compare to 406duo/4010duo?

malkiy 04-04-2022 10:47 AM

I’m a bit disappointed in the new DX6 and DX8. Software looks to be identical to current chargers. I also don’t see any new functionality. So basically you are getting the same 308duo/406duo chargers in a slightly different package. Why would anyone upgrade if they own a 308duo or 406duo?

glennhl 04-04-2022 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by malkiy (Post 15891643)
I’m a bit disappointed in the new DX6 and DX8. Software looks to be identical to current chargers. I also don’t see any new functionality. So basically you are getting the same 308duo/406duo chargers in a slightly different package. Why would anyone upgrade if they own a 308duo or 406duo?

Good point. However, I didn't see the DX8 as an upgrade to the 308 or 406, just a different choice for someone looking for a nice charger.

malkiy 04-04-2022 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by glennhl (Post 15891687)
Good point. However, I didn't see the DX8 as an upgrade to the 308 or 406, just a different choice for someone looking for a nice charger.

Then I don’t understand their marketing. Why create products that are basically identical in functionality? One product steals sales from the other.

I was really hoping for a software revamp/improvement. At least something between the current 10 year old interface and the muchmore cell master specter.

GeorgePravata 04-04-2022 01:05 PM

How many amps will it discharge at with the discharger Heard something like 32 amps not 40 or 50 amps

malkiy 04-04-2022 01:38 PM

30amps. The specs are similar to the 308duo except it can charge 8s.

DirkW 04-04-2022 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by malkiy (Post 15891716)
30amps. The specs are similar to the 308duo except it can charge 8s.

As per Junsi's naming convention, the 308 does 8S at 30A as well, so the DX8 basically is a newer 308 Duo, it seems.

As to the why, maybe they'll stop producing the older 308/406/4010 chargers?

Some info about the specs can be found watching this:

Shaun Huelskamp 04-04-2022 07:53 PM

How does it smell?

Marcos.J 04-05-2022 03:14 AM


Originally Posted by GeorgePravata (Post 15891702)
How many amps will it discharge at with the discharger Heard something like 32 amps not 40 or 50 amps

still needs to use the second channel with a discharging bank, unless you build one of these and no need to use a second channel :) i can discharge 2packs at 40amps at the same time , but im using the S6 for now.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...a6553b7e5.jpeg

Roelof 04-05-2022 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by malkiy (Post 15891691)
Then I don’t understand their marketing. Why create products that are basically identical in functionality? One product steals sales from the other.

Because we buy it!
Face it. We RC racers continious buy new cars, motors, esc's transmitters etc while under the different looknig hood the product is the same as before with maybe small changes. So why should a charger being different from that?

gigaplex 04-05-2022 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 15891887)
Because we buy it!
Face it. We RC racers continious buy new cars, motors, esc's transmitters etc while under the different looknig hood the product is the same as before with maybe small changes. So why should a charger being different from that?

It's difficult to claim that a new case for the charger will gain you 0.1s per lap or make the car easier to drive. There needs to be at least some level of plausibility that it's better.

Marcos.J 04-05-2022 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15891892)
It's difficult to claim that a new case for the charger will gain you 0.1s per lap or make the car easier to drive. There needs to be at least some level of plausibility that it's better.

the new case makes you hit the pipe less

STLNLST 04-05-2022 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Marcos.J (Post 15891898)
the new case makes you hit the pipe less

🤣🤣🤣

Roelof 04-05-2022 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15891892)
It's difficult to claim that a new case for the charger will gain you 0.1s per lap or make the car easier to drive. There needs to be at least some level of plausibility that it's better.

True, but hey, most people have no idea. Although you think it is the same in a different case there is a possibillity it is a re-designed electronic circuit, There is a market shortage of electronic chips and I know companies who did change products for the use of different chips and other components so there is a slight chance this is also such an action.

But there are enough people who start a season with new equipment, I even see racers getting new transponders every year while that also does not provide better laptimes..

Joshstix 04-05-2022 05:44 AM

Typically when you see a manufacturer replace a model with a new one that has basically the same features its because they have found a way to build it more profitably. Sometimes that means just being cheaper to build other times its about fixing things that cause more warranty repairs or more QA failures on the line.

EAMotorsports 04-05-2022 08:12 AM

The new chargers are basically half the weight of the previous 308 and 406. For guys that travel that is drastic.

The DX6 is not due out for another 2-3 Months. The DX8 I'll have in two weeks.

EA

mrreet2001 04-05-2022 11:02 AM

What is the max discharge without a bank?

biz77 04-05-2022 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by mrreet2001 (Post 15892054)
What is the max discharge without a bank?

45 watts per channel or 70 watts with the channels combined. Almost half what the current 308 DUO is capable of. This is where the weight savings come from - less resistor and heatsink.

Marcos.J 04-05-2022 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by mrreet2001 (Post 15892054)
What is the max discharge without a bank?

if i recall the 410 was 10amps so i don't think it would be any more than 10amps

gigaplex 04-05-2022 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Marcos.J (Post 15892103)
if i recall the 410 was 10amps so i don't think it would be any more than 10amps

It's much less than that. Roughly 5A for a 2S pack.

GeorgePravata 04-05-2022 04:47 PM

whats the most you can charge at and discharge at.

gigaplex 04-05-2022 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by GeorgePravata (Post 15892152)
whats the most you can charge at and discharge at.

That's pretty much been answered already. 30A, but you need an external discharge bank to get that high. Internally, it'll do 45W (~5A on 2S).

mrreet2001 04-06-2022 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by biz77 (Post 15892062)
45 watts per channel or 70 watts with the channels combined. Almost half what the current 308 DUO is capable of. This is where the weight savings come from - less resistor and heatsink.

Ugh I guess I will stay with my 308/406's.

biz77 04-06-2022 09:12 AM

If you look at most of the use cases for the DUO chargers (at least in RC car racing), you would probably see that most times they are used with a discharge bank. I'm sure Junsi recognizes this. They can save money with fewer/smaller components (more profit as the new chargers are more expensive) and save some weight too. I'm quite happy with the new design. My 406 DUO looks like something Nintendo designed in the 80's. If the software and menu structure are the same as the current DUO models, that's a huge let down.

mrreet2001 04-06-2022 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by biz77 (Post 15892350)
If you look at most of the use cases for the DUO chargers (at least in RC car racing), you would probably see that most times they are used with a discharge bank.

I have never seen a discharge bank at my track... But there are a ton of 308/406/4010's.

biz77 04-06-2022 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by mrreet2001 (Post 15892357)
I have never seen a discharge bank at my track... But there are a ton of 308/406/4010's.

Does anyone discharge using the internal discharge capability or does everyone just top off between rounds? I don't use one either, but my 406 DUO will discharge my 1s packs at 20+ amps.

mrreet2001 04-06-2022 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by biz77 (Post 15892409)
Does anyone discharge using the internal discharge capability or does everyone just top off between rounds? I don't use one either, but my 406 DUO will discharge my 1s packs at 20+ amps.

It varies. Some top off, some dump and charge. On 2s i didn't notice much of a difference, but with 1s I notice a difference. I normally run multiple classes so dumping to an external resister bank really isn't possible. I need both channels.

Joshstix 04-06-2022 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by biz77 (Post 15892350)
If you look at most of the use cases for the DUO chargers (at least in RC car racing), you would probably see that most times they are used with a discharge bank. I'm sure Junsi recognizes this. They can save money with fewer/smaller components (more profit as the new chargers are more expensive) and save some weight too.

This may be true but I would suggest it is only the case because the chargers aren't capable of providing the discharge rates people are looking for without a discharge bank. If the charger was able to discharge 2S at 40 amps I don't think many people would be using discharge banks. It would make for a really expensive charger though that would be hard to market because a lot of consumers aren't really aware of the need for discharge on something that says its a charger.

gigaplex 04-06-2022 03:44 PM

I use the internal discharge rate at the end of the day. External discharge banks are against the rules where I race, so there's no point investing in one.

elex300 04-14-2022 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by branman18 (Post 15890444)

I recognize that pitboard. Thats my handy work. 😉🎨

Midnight 04-16-2022 02:06 PM

Does it not charge at 50 amp?!!!

gigaplex 04-16-2022 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 15895548)
Does it not charge at 50 amp?!!!

Only in synchronous mode (using both channels to charge the one pack). In normal mode, 30A is the limit.

Midnight 04-16-2022 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15895577)
Only in synchronous mode (using both channels to charge the one pack). In normal mode, 30A is the limit.

thank you.

Motorman007 04-16-2022 03:40 PM

Can you make your own memory settings?

I don't see where on mine you can make your own. Thank you
https://youtu.be/520KRZjqL50

branman18 04-18-2022 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by elex300 (Post 15895104)
I recognize that pitboard. Thats my handy work. 😉🎨

Unfortunately photos will never do the scheme justice. You have to see it in person to see the detail. I stupidly only got the one body painted and I saved it so I can use it as reference. Should've had more done, no one can replicate it.

Airwave 04-20-2022 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15892487)
I use the internal discharge rate at the end of the day. External discharge banks are against the rules where I race, so there's no point investing in one.

I was not aware it is was a thing. I think it is good for the hobby forbidding this kind of things...


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