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gigaplex 01-07-2022 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by mrreet2001 (Post 15861526)
Does the club check every motor for aluminum screws if the motor didn't come with them?

I don't know, I've never been there.

Marcos.J 01-07-2022 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15861523)
And yet ROAR explicitly states in the rules that colour changes require reapproval 🤷‍♂️

It doesn't matter if cosmetic changes don't affect performance. It's in the rules, the rules either need to be obeyed or they need to be rewritten.

like i said if they cant enforce the simple 1c charge rating for lipos why bother with the color of the endbell
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...48b11d76bd.png

DirkW 01-07-2022 06:53 AM

All the more reason to point such useless rules out. If you cannot (or don't intend to) enforce a rule, then get rid of it. Having rules and just collectively choosing to ignore them is kinda stupid, TBH.

Airwave 01-07-2022 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Marcos.J (Post 15861548)
like i said if they cant enforce the simple 1c charge rating for lipos why bother with the color of the endbell
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...48b11d76bd.png

This table is incredible. I know that Americans are not used to the metric system, but seriously...

mrreet2001 01-07-2022 11:29 AM

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robk 01-07-2022 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15861485)
The Trinity parts in question are not on the approved list.

Then let me advise you that at a ROAR event, if the part is not approved the RMT tech team would be able to exclude that motor from competition. You can also rock up to tech with a mod motor rotor in a spec motor can and you won't be able to race that either. That's what tech inspection is for.

gigaplex 01-07-2022 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by robk (Post 15861682)
Then let me advise you that at a ROAR event, if the part is not approved the RMT tech team would be able to exclude that motor from competition. You can also rock up to tech with a mod motor rotor in a spec motor can and you won't be able to race that either. That's what tech inspection is for.

That's what tech inspections should be doing, but they're regularly allowing the non approved parts at large ROAR events.

robk 01-08-2022 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15861711)
That's what tech inspections should be doing, but they're regularly allowing the non approved parts at large ROAR events.

there's 3 main electric events where this could be an issue, off road electric nats and on road carpet and asphalt.. Which race were you at that you saw illegal parts allowed?

gigaplex 01-08-2022 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by robk (Post 15861850)
there's 3 main electric events where this could be an issue, off road electric nats and on road carpet and asphalt.. Which race were you at that you saw illegal parts allowed?

I wasn't there but I've been told they're allowing the black endplate. It's not on the approved list and rule 8.4.2.3 requires resubmission if the end plate is a different colour. Earlier in this thread there's a screenshot of you telling someone else via private message that it's allowed. Perhaps you weren't aware that it's a different colour, and it's not just top percentage parts.

robk 01-08-2022 12:40 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15861711)
That's what tech inspections should be doing, but they're regularly allowing the non approved parts at large ROAR events.


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15861851)
I wasn't there but I've been told they're allowing the black endplate. It's not on the approved list and rule 8.4.2.3 requires resubmission if the end plate is a different colour. Earlier in this thread there's a screenshot of you telling someone else via private message that it's allowed. Perhaps you weren't aware that it's a different colour, and it's not just top percentage parts.

Told by who?

gigaplex 01-08-2022 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by robk (Post 15861853)
Told by who?

Everyone in this thread telling me I'm wrong about the different coloured part being illegal, using it passing ROAR tech as evidence of me being wrong.

If you're asking for that evidence of it passing and you haven't told me my reading of the rules is incorrect, does that mean you believe that a Trinity motor that's not using the stock blue end plate should fail tech?

robk 01-09-2022 05:47 PM

No, who told you that non approved parts are being allowed regularly at ROAR races? Which races?

gigaplex 01-09-2022 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by mrreet2001 (Post 15860420)
They pass tech because the are legal. Per Robk (Roar Technical Director) "Since it's basically impossible to identify a "premium" motor once you take it out of the box, they are legal. As you said, they just use top percentage legal parts. The only problem is some companies are going beyond the legal MSRP, but that is a ROAR problem, not a racer problem."
Certified Trinities are no different than buying a motor with a "tuning" service such a rotorRon.


Originally Posted by robk (Post 15862440)
No, who told you that non approved parts are being allowed regularly at ROAR races? Which races?

If you need some specific usernames, they are mrreet2001 and bertottius (claims he ran one at a ROAR Nationals in the Trinity sub forum, didn't specify which year). Marcos.J mentioned that other rules aren't being enforced, such as the charge rate. Let's assume they gave me false information and Trinity Certified endbells have not been passing tech. If one presented at tech in front of you with a different coloured endbell (violates rule 8.4.2.3), would you pass or fail it? Note that it's not just the certified endbell that Trinity has that violates that rule, they have orange and pink cosmetic variants available separately that aren't on the approved list.

Marcos.J 01-10-2022 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15862473)
If you need some specific usernames, they are mrreet2001 and bertottius (claims he ran one at a ROAR Nationals in the Trinity sub forum, didn't specify which year). Marcos.J mentioned that other rules aren't being enforced, such as the charge rate. Let's assume they gave me false information and Trinity Certified endbells have not been passing tech. If one presented at tech in front of you with a different coloured endbell (violates rule 8.4.2.3), would you pass or fail it? Note that it's not just the certified endbell that Trinity has that violates that rule, they have orange and pink cosmetic variants available separately that aren't on the approved list.

I heard painting any lexan TC body with Tamiya PS1 will also be illegal 🤷‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

mrreet2001 01-10-2022 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Marcos.J (Post 15862582)
I heard painting any lexan TC body with Tamiya PS1 will also be illegal 🤷‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Only in the State of California. :lol:


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