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Originally Posted by mrreet2001
(Post 15860859)
The only part that is different is the color of the end plate. If your organization is literally banning motors with a different color end plate they need to get a life.
From the ROAR rules 8.4.2.3 Changes, other than normal production variations, to any area of an approved motor require re-approval of the motor. Examples of specific changes which require re-approval include, but are not limited to: addition of epoxy or other compounds to windings, can color; end piece construction and color; stator length; number of stator laminations; thickness, diameter or shape of stator laminations; wire diameter; can length and can diameter.
Originally Posted by mrreet2001
(Post 15860859)
THERE IS NO PERFORMANCE BENEFIT FROM THE COLOR OF END-PLATE.
Here is the thing. You can
The other screwy thing is that your track would have been fine with a certified motor if they just would have not included the ceramic bearings and charged $15 less. |
Just a chuckle over all of this. There are two versions of what was originally the USGT spec fixed timing motor. One with a spec of 30 degrees of timing and another which the can still says USGT spec but it has 45 degrees of timing. The difference to visually separate them is the sensor board end plate which is red on the 45 degree motor.
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
(Post 15861182)
Oh look, according to the ROAR rules, using a different colour end piece is actually illegal.
I never said it was my track. Besides, ROAR wrote the rule, this track is enforcing it. Also, that bold part isn't accurate. It's technically not legal because the ROAR approval list doesn't list the certified variant, it lists the base variant with the quoted part number, which has visually different components to the certified that require re-approval according to clause 8.4.2.3. Motors may be rebuilt as follows:
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And once again
What is the track is trying to accomplish? They are trying to ban a motor that cost too much? But it is perfectly OK to buy a $499 Motolyser and a $325 Magnalyser Rotor Checker and 10 Team SPEC motors $1149.90 and cherry pick the best Stators, rotors and sensor boards. Then throw in another $20+ on ceramic bearings. But I can't pay Trinity an extra $50 to do the same service (Which comes with the legal ceramic bearings) So it's really only $30 The other screwy thing is that the track would have been fine with a certified motor if they just would have not included the ceramic bearings, included the blue end cap charged $15 less. Even more ridiculous is that I can buy a certified Motor. Then buy the black screw kit and buy the blue end cap and there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO TELL. So I can spend $188 and have a legal motor but they ban the $165 motor. |
Originally Posted by mrreet2001
(Post 15861192)
And once again
What is the track is trying to accomplish? They are trying to ban a motor that cost too much? But it is perfectly OK to buy a $499 Motolyser and a $325 Magnalyser Rotor Checker and 10 Team SPEC motors $1149.90 and cherry pick the best Stators, rotors and sensor boards. Then throw in another $20+ on ceramic bearings. But I can't pay Trinity an extra $50 to do the same service (Which comes with the legal ceramic bearings) So it's really only $30 The other screwy thing is that the track would have been fine with a certified motor if they just would have not included the ceramic bearings, included the blue end cap charged $15 less. Even more ridiculous is that I can buy a certified Motor. Then buy the black screw kit and buy the blue end cap and there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO TELL. So I can spend $188 and have a legal motor but they ban the $165 motor. What is ROAR trying to accomplish by writing rules that it doesn't bother enforcing? The certified motor violates multiple clauses in the ROAR ruleset, not just the pricing rule. |
Originally Posted by gigaplex
(Post 15861199)
The track is trying to follow the rule book. ROAR wrote those rules. The Australian ruleset states that the motors must conform to ROAR/BRCA/EFRA rules. The Trinity certified doesn't meet any of them, despite ROAR sanctioned events allowing them. The alloy screws and the certified endbell are not approved parts.
What is ROAR trying to accomplish by writing rules that it doesn't bother enforcing? The certified motor violates multiple clauses in the ROAR ruleset, not just the pricing rule. |
Originally Posted by mrreet2001
(Post 15861252)
Switching the endplate and screws make it legal. Whats the point of making racers pay extra to make it legal when they are banning it for being too expensive? See the irony here?
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Does the club check every motor for aluminum screws?
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Guys, you are way off subject here.
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Sorry Ron I'm doing this just so this will stop. I don't have time to look up the Trinity Bell that you're referring to but a lot of these have been approved. So the deal is you can approve aftermarket parts or accessory parts and if you choose to put them on your motor the approved parts are legal. You may notice there are a ton of rotors that have been submitted as aftermarket parts for Motors and they are perfectly legal to install as long as they have been approved for that motor. Often these rotors are submitted long after the original motor approval. Beyond that as was stated before it's hard to police someone building a motor from parts versus a factory motor sold over the MSRP. And honestly this is only my opinion and not anyone else's or any organizations if you're in Australia you can make your own rules. If the situation is that problematic for you then you may want to ban the motor. Roar has enough problems without fixing the entire world's problems.
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Originally Posted by robk
(Post 15861444)
Sorry Ron I'm doing this just so this will stop. I don't have time to look up the Trinity Bell that you're referring to but a lot of these have been approved. So the deal is you can approve aftermarket parts or accessory parts and if you choose to put them on your motor the approved parts are legal. You may notice there are a ton of rotors that have been submitted as aftermarket parts for Motors and they are perfectly legal to install as long as they have been approved for that motor. Often these rotors are submitted long after the original motor approval. Beyond that as was stated before it's hard to police someone building a motor from parts versus a factory motor sold over the MSRP. And honestly this is only my opinion and not anyone else's or any organizations if you're in Australia you can make your own rules. If the situation is that problematic for you then you may want to ban the motor. Roar has enough problems without fixing the entire world's problems.
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
(Post 15861485)
The Trinity parts in question are not on the approved list.
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Originally Posted by Marcos.J
(Post 15861513)
guess the word “certified” on the end bell makes the motor lightning fast 🤦🏻♂️
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Originally Posted by Marcos.J
(Post 15861513)
guess the word “certified” on the end bell makes the motor lightning fast 🤦🏻♂️
It doesn't matter if cosmetic changes don't affect performance. It's in the rules, the rules either need to be obeyed or they need to be rewritten. |
Originally Posted by gigaplex
(Post 15861523)
And yet ROAR explicitly states in the rules that colour changes require reapproval 🤷♂️
It doesn't matter if cosmetic changes don't affect performance. It's in the rules, the rules either need to be obeyed or they need to be rewritten. |
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