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urnotevenwrg2 03-19-2018 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Jochim_18 (Post 15187303)
Maybe if traction is good but on loamy dirt loose track definitely no drag break. If you only using 5%-15% heck why even use it I don't think you'll feel much difference without a drag break lol.

Yeah, and most people that race 2wd buggy race on high grip.

This last weekend I went to a points series finally race for 1/10th scale. The track normally runs 1/8th scale, so it was not high grip by any means. I tried drag brake strength from 5-15% and settled at 8% based on layout and grip level. I've been racing rc cars for 28 years, I can feel tiny changes like that.

Phillip F 03-19-2018 06:29 PM

for HW XR10 Pro


I run 2wd buggy in carpet, 13.5 class
I am a point and shoot driver. apex to apex.
Brake Force : (0-100%)
the amount of brake the esc can do. I usually have it at default 100%
Initial Brake : (=drag brake, 0=50) I have it at 0 - 5 . In real cars, It's the amount of brake you apply while braking. 0 would be instant (no delay) 50 would be maximum delay in braking. If you have it on "=drag brake" setting ... set your drag brake. I don't use drag brake.

gigaplex 03-19-2018 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Phillip F (Post 15187544)
for HW XR10 Pro


I run 2wd buggy in carpet, 13.5 class
I am a point and shoot driver. apex to apex.
Brake Force : (0-100%)
the amount of brake the esc can do. I usually have it at default 100%
Initial Brake : (=drag brake, 0=50) I have it at 0 - 5 . In real cars, It's the amount of brake you apply while braking. 0 would be instant (no delay) 50 would be maximum delay in braking. If you have it on "=drag brake" setting ... set your drag brake. I don't use drag brake.

That's not what the initial brake setting does. If you set initial brake to 50%, a slight touch of the brakes would jump straight to 50% brake strength. It's not a delay.

Phillip F 03-19-2018 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15187589)
That's not what the initial brake setting does. If you set initial brake to 50%, a slight touch of the brakes would jump straight to 50% brake strength. It's not a delay.

my esc must be broken....because when it's on 0 the brake is instant and when its on 50% the buggy travels a few feet before it really stops. btw what esc do you have?

gigaplex 03-19-2018 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by Phillip F (Post 15187630)
my esc must be broken....because when it's on 0 the brake is instant and when its on 50% the buggy travels a few feet before it really stops. btw what esc do you have?

Hobbywing Xerun 3.1. The brake settings should be pretty similar to the XR10. Check the manual and it explains what the setting means.

Billy Kelly 03-20-2018 05:02 AM

Ok JC3, your question here got my interest enuff to finally get my 25.5 car going. I know what just changing max brake force has done to improve my driving over winter. Will see what and how this effects this car.
Base setting are 80 percent max brake. I raced with this setting in USGT last summer, very little brakes.
And it shows initial brake force as “ drag brake 5 percent.

Billy Kelly 04-02-2018 07:31 PM

Did first runs with it after adjusting this. Good start. Weather not looking positive for next few days. May need weekend before can get results

JC3 04-02-2018 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Billy Kelly (Post 15200313)
Did first runs with it after adjusting this. Good start. Weather not looking positive for next few days. May need weekend before can get results

I've got mine set to: Drag = 0, Initial = 40, and Max = 100. I'd like to say that it works well, but honestly, I'm just now starting to get used to using the brakes intentionally and with some skill. I do however feel okay about this configuration so far.

Interested to see/hear your experience.

Billy Kelly 04-02-2018 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15200353)
I've got mine set to: Drag = 0, Initial = 40, and Max = 100. I'd like to say that it works well, but honestly, I'm just now starting to get used to using the brakes intentionally and with some skill.

Interested to see/hear your experience.

Same setting here.

I’d been running max=100
Drag=0
Initial=0

Billy Kelly 04-30-2018 03:19 PM

So here’s box stock.



and after changing the initial brake force setting only.




Phillip F 05-02-2018 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15200353)
I've got mine set to: Drag = 0, Initial = 40, and Max = 100. I'd like to say that it works well, but honestly, I'm just now starting to get used to using the brakes intentionally and with some skill. I do however feel okay about this configuration so far.

Interested to see/hear your experience.

that means when you punch the brake ...it will slowly engage (like slowly pressing the brake pedal in real cars) at 40... If the Inital brake is set at 0 then the brake is instant.
This happens in all of my hobbywing escs XR10 Pro V3.1 Spec and Orion R101.1 pro

Billy Kelly 05-02-2018 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Phillip F (Post 15220848)
that means when you punch the brake ...it will slowly engage (like slowly pressing the brake pedal in real cars) at 40... If the Inital brake is set at 0 then the brake is instant.
This happens in all of my hobbywing escs XR10 Pro V3.1 Spec and Orion R101.1 pro

with my trackstar esc, it’s opposite. At 0 setting there is almost no brakes. At 40 I feel the brake instantly

JC3 05-02-2018 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Billy Kelly (Post 15219421)
So here’s box stock.


and after changing the initial brake force setting only.




Nice testing. Looks like your average time was just a hair slower after the adjustment. What's your feeling on it overall?

Billy Kelly 05-02-2018 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15220890)
Nice testing. Looks like your average time was just a hair slower after the adjustment. What's your feeling on it overall?

All winter, I found myself slower for few runs after a brake adjustment. Had t find the new braking zone on the layout. Stock was usually 10-12 feet from turn, now it’s more 8-10 feet. It does feel more stable and predictable. And times were more consistent. I’ll take consistent over a random fast lap.


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