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Old 10-27-2008, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RCSteve93
It will eventually. I think the future is LiPo. I am personally for the 380/7.4v deal, because tires wear less and it costs about $40 and a 3cm x 3cm piece of aluminum and a little Dremel time to get set up. I am going to set up a combo soon in my back-up car for practice, so hopefully I can change up the set-up so it handles like my 17.5 car, but the tires will wear alot less. Roland was telling me 10 weeks or something like that out of a set of tires.
I'd hold off on the whole 7.4/380 deal. The final version 1 cell Lipo is sitting in my car as we speak, ready for testing tomorrow. We expect the first shipment of them in no more than 2 weeks.

Here are what the "360" 1/12th scale rules for the rest of the season will
end up looking somewhat like:

One class=1/12th "stock"

You're choices of configuration:

A) 17.5/4-Cell Nimh (4.8v) and min. weight of 865g

"OR"

B) 13.5/1-Cell Lipo (3.7v) and min. weight of 700g

The Lipo weight rule is not final yet but will be in the next few days..may end up 20g lower. The final version 1 Cell SMC is pretty bad ass. Real slim and compact, with no need to move your shock position at all. I think it takes up less space than a nimh. Best of all..it only weighs roughly 100g.

Reciever pack is not necessary but at only 15$ to 20$ for a good one it isn't a bad idea.

Expect the SMC 1C Lipo to retail anywhere from $40 to $45 dollars.

Like I said previously when I was testing it heavily, I ran pretty much identical lap times between the two options, with the Lipo maybe .1 off. However, that was running the Lipo car at 820g. I am figuring at roughly 140g less it will end up being exact speed wise.

Something else I learned while testing, adding weight for the sake of handling is not necessary. Hence the reasoning behind lowering the Lipo weight limit for the sake of less wear and tear on the cars, and a hell of alot less tire wear.

-Donny
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Donny .... You have a PM
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Originally Posted by lmiracing
I'd hold off on the whole 7.4/380 deal. The final version 1 cell Lipo is sitting in my car as we speak, ready for testing tomorrow. We expect the first shipment of them in no more than 2 weeks.

Here are what the "360" 1/12th scale rules for the rest of the season will
end up looking somewhat like:

One class=1/12th "stock"

You're choices of configuration:

A) 17.5/4-Cell Nimh (4.8v) and min. weight of 865g

"OR"

B) 13.5/1-Cell Lipo (3.7v) and min. weight of 700g

The Lipo weight rule is not final yet but will be in the next few days..may end up 20g lower. The final version 1 Cell SMC is pretty bad ass. Real slim and compact, with no need to move your shock position at all. I think it takes up less space than a nimh. Best of all..it only weighs roughly 100g.

Reciever pack is not necessary but at only 15$ to 20$ for a good one it isn't a bad idea.

Expect the SMC 1C Lipo to retail anywhere from $40 to $45 dollars.

Like I said previously when I was testing it heavily, I ran pretty much identical lap times between the two options, with the Lipo maybe .1 off. However, that was running the Lipo car at 820g. I am figuring at roughly 140g less it will end up being exact speed wise.

Something else I learned while testing, adding weight for the sake of handling is not necessary. Hence the reasoning behind lowering the Lipo weight limit for the sake of less wear and tear on the cars, and a hell of alot less tire wear.

-Donny
Donny, That sounds awesome. I thought it wasn't coming out for a while.
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Originally Posted by lmiracing

Something else I learned while testing, adding weight for the sake of handling is not necessary. Hence the reasoning behind lowering the Lipo weight limit for the sake of less wear and tear on the cars, and a hell of alot less tire wear.

-Donny

I like that!
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I like that!
It should work out great for everybody
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Originally Posted by lmiracing
I'd hold off on the whole 7.4/380 deal. The final version 1 cell Lipo is sitting in my car as we speak, ready for testing tomorrow. We expect the first shipment of them in no more than 2 weeks.

Here are what the "360" 1/12th scale rules for the rest of the season will
end up looking somewhat like:

One class=1/12th "stock"

You're choices of configuration:

A) 17.5/4-Cell Nimh (4.8v) and min. weight of 865g

"OR"

B) 13.5/1-Cell Lipo (3.7v) and min. weight of 700g

The Lipo weight rule is not final yet but will be in the next few days..may end up 20g lower. The final version 1 Cell SMC is pretty bad ass. Real slim and compact, with no need to move your shock position at all. I think it takes up less space than a nimh. Best of all..it only weighs roughly 100g.

Reciever pack is not necessary but at only 15$ to 20$ for a good one it isn't a bad idea.

Expect the SMC 1C Lipo to retail anywhere from $40 to $45 dollars.

Like I said previously when I was testing it heavily, I ran pretty much identical lap times between the two options, with the Lipo maybe .1 off. However, that was running the Lipo car at 820g. I am figuring at roughly 140g less it will end up being exact speed wise.

Something else I learned while testing, adding weight for the sake of handling is not necessary. Hence the reasoning behind lowering the Lipo weight limit for the sake of less wear and tear on the cars, and a hell of alot less tire wear.

-Donny
Nice choices...could you tell us what size bullet plugs are needed for the 1c Lipo pack? if even needed. (3.5mm or 4mm)

what brand 13.5 are you using?
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Originally Posted by lmiracing
It should work out great for everybody
Donny,

I know it's early yet, but when you are testing could you note how do the side walls of the yellows hold up? And later when you get a chance, how does the performance of a 10.5 match up with the 13.5 4-cell? I am just trying to imagine what we'd use for super stock. - thanks.
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Figured I'd make this offer first to my local buds before going broad on RCTech.

I'm basically selling a ton of brushed motor products...I know I will never use them again and would rather see them put to good use than collecting dust.

if your interested please e-mail me at work [email protected]

Proceeds of all my sales will be spent at 360 to get me on the Lipo / brushless banwagon.
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Originally Posted by Carl Giordano
Nice choices...could you tell us what size bullet plugs are needed for the 1c Lipo pack? if even needed. (3.5mm or 4mm)

what brand 13.5 are you using?
Carl, SMC packs typically have wire poking through thick enough to jump start an aircraft carrier with Dean's connectors. Danny at SMC is not a believer in the bullets. The circuit board that they are typically attached to is not beefy enough and adds to the overall resistance of the pack.
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Hey Guys, thank you all for coming out to the 360 Pizza party this past Sunday. I'm pretty confident that we will be able to provide this to you quite a for more times this year. Cole was quite entertaining I though as well. He will be with me this upcoming weekend too. Awesome racing once again, here are the results.
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It was fun running Rubber Sedan again and Boy!........ What a start in the A Main!...... YIKES!........... But fun anyways.........
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.......... BTW Dave, You don't have all the results up on the Website.
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Originally Posted by RCSteve93
Be careful using that on a brushless motor, some racers found they blew more motors when using them, I know it's not a definitive test/result but do you want to risk your $80 motor.
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Originally Posted by MikeXray
Be careful using that on a brushless motor, some racers found they blew more motors when using them, I know it's not a definitive test/result but do you want to risk your $80 motor.
Yep, that is why I am putting a potentiometer on it, so I can control the coolness of it so condensation doesn't form and short the motor out... the condensation is why people have problems with the freezers. This is going to be a freezer, but I am going to tone it down a notch. Also, before someone calls me out on it... the extreme change in temperature going from cold to warm. Once testing is done, I will get some numbers and see the total change cooled, vs room temp. I feel the less final temperature you have the better, but that is just my hypothesis. And on top of it, I bought a used Hacker 17.5 for cheap, just for these testing purposes, and it included a second rotor too.
-Steve
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