Rick Vessell

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Cost to manufacture O.S. engines is more than that Herr Roelof. Materials and processes used alone make up the majority of the figure you quoted.

Roelof

You think?
https://abc-rc-shop.eu/product/nr-st...touringa-21cc/
This is the shop its normal selling price although it is a special price supporting stock competitions. But take off the few euro he is earning, shipping costs and taxes and the engine is even below 70 euro when it did left the Novarossi factory. OK, it is no high end Mesphito but basically there is no difference. The Mesphito may look better on the inside and perform better on the track but that is just a CNC program and maybe a better piston material but it will not make a mesphito costing 3x that much.

The sleeve material OS is using is the same as Novarossi, that we have seen using a spectrometer (a few years ago), Also the pistons of OS are not special. And because labour is cheaper in Japan I doubt OS engines are more expensive than than the Novarossi models we see here in Europe. Even Force and Go can produce 60 euro engines and yes, the materials of them are not made to withstand racing performance but pricewise better materials will not make a huge difference in the material costs, the higher costs will then be in the production time and maintenance because harder materials will slow down production.

1/8 IC Fan

iTrader: (102)

One thing to keep in mind is that cast molds and such arereused from previous lineups, as such cost keep decreasing! When the manufacturers change the design or process, the first runs need to recoup tooling costs i.e. Piccos new blocks! And then when you look at Maxima taking an OS motor and then "tuning" (i wont say they tune, but thats my opinion) it and upselling it at a rediculous price - when they did not manufacture anything! Then its quite absurd....

NitroVein

As Picco have changed their way of casting it will be more expensive now to do changes, the previous engines could be adapted more easily. But maybe it's cheaper in the long run.
But apart from the manufacturing they also need to invest, and pay for marketing etc. By spending say the same amount of money on marketing as they did to make the product they might be able to double the profit, at our expense.

1/8 IC Fan

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I think if Picco needs to do anything it is to invest in their website... they are turning into FX lol.

lil-bump

iTrader: (89)

What burns me is the cost of the OS matching pipe for the OS1202. $140.00 for pipe and header. You can't convince me this pipe has any special material or fabrication involved.

Pass you soon...

1/8 IC Fan

iTrader: (102)

nope, that is a bit silly. But i have stopped running OS pipes, and run either Hipex or Mielke, which i can get two different headers and pipes for the price of the OS set.

lil-bump

iTrader: (89)

Same here... I run the Hipex.

NitroVein

Italian and British websites usually leave something to desire. I know Picco used to make engines that they never showed at all on their web page, like tether engines.
The web page for OPS made you want to cut your wrist...

Sorry for derailing this thread.

ToysRUsKid

iTrader: (16)

Has anyone tried the break in process provided on the instructions that come with the engine? Seems to be two liters of fuel on the track, not the typical break in process you see here in the states.

Curious if anyone has tried it and like it.

ToysRUsKid

iTrader: (16)

Which hipex? 2669?

lil-bump

iTrader: (89)

Yes... I believe it's a Hipex 2669 Evo II. I run the short or med header.

ToysRUsKid

iTrader: (16)

Thanks E!

ToysRUsKid

iTrader: (16)

What's the difference between the T1202 and the T1203 in terms of parts? Are the parts compatible?

cansoykal

I see that the rod and crank are the same. But crankcase piston and sleeve are different. I would like to know if the piston sleeve assembly from T1203 would fit in T1202.