Adding 15k RPMs to the engine with Mods
#1
How many RPMs can you typically add to an engine after modding it? I was browsing some of the modifiers websites and came across a new one who make some "amazing claims". Here is the one that caught my eye: "Expect 15,000 rpms over a stock one and 50% more torque". This is just one of them but they are all in the same line. Is this even possible? How could one make such claims with so many mechanical variables? Even a dyno is just a "guideline/estimation" and not an exact method. I'm not trying to bash anybody, just trying to get a better understanding and see if these claims are possible to achieve. Please discuss.
#2
Depends the motor you work on. If you have somekind of low end RTR motor running 30.000 rpm then yes, adding 15.000 more is possible but for sure the motor has no long life.
Adding 1500 rpm is possible but it is not all about adding rpm, it is also about adding torque and widening the torque/hp curve.
Adding 1500 rpm is possible but it is not all about adding rpm, it is also about adding torque and widening the torque/hp curve.
#3
How many RPMs can you typically add to an engine after modding it? I was browsing some of the modifiers websites and came across a new one who make some "amazing claims". Here is the one that caught my eye: "Expect 15,000 rpms over a stock one and 50% more torque". This is just one of them but they are all in the same line. Is this even possible? How could one make such claims with so many mechanical variables? Even a dyno is just a "guideline/estimation" and not an exact method. I'm not trying to bash anybody, just trying to get a better understanding and see if these claims are possible to achieve. Please discuss.
no way!
i think he speak about low performance rtr engines.many of those can't handle so much extra power.
#4
He makes these claims of engines like the Flash R21, Keep On and 35+21! If at all possible, you will have a granade for a engine me thinks!
#5
http://powersecrets.net/
wow!
wow!
Novarossi Virtus .21
(SKU #XXXXXX)
IMPROVED CRANK AND PORT DESIGN WITH DUAL CERAMIC BEARINGS. THIS IS 45,OOO RPM OUT OF THE BOX AND WE CAN PUSH IT TO 60,000 RPMS IF YOU CAN GEAR IT
STATE OF THE ART CARB ENTRY OFF-SET. WE CAN MOD A REALLY GOOD ENGINE TO START WITH.
(SKU #XXXXXX)
IMPROVED CRANK AND PORT DESIGN WITH DUAL CERAMIC BEARINGS. THIS IS 45,OOO RPM OUT OF THE BOX AND WE CAN PUSH IT TO 60,000 RPMS IF YOU CAN GEAR IT
STATE OF THE ART CARB ENTRY OFF-SET. WE CAN MOD A REALLY GOOD ENGINE TO START WITH.
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#9
60,000rpm on the bench, with no load, for a single run, maybe. There's no way it would actually rev that high while dragging a vehicle around with it, and even if it could, the wear on the conrod bushings from the centrifugal force alone would be unbelievable.
#10
The crank is then heat treated with carbon for strength, Then we SPEED BALANCE, then its high quality silicone ramped ).
Novarossi lifetime ceramic HIGH SPEED bearings (x2) F+R.(NO Abec junk here, they wont last @ 40,000 rpms for long)
Lifetime Connecting Rod, knife edged (Trx 2.5&3.3 only)
Novarossi lifetime ceramic HIGH SPEED bearings (x2) F+R.(NO Abec junk here, they wont last @ 40,000 rpms for long)
Lifetime Connecting Rod, knife edged (Trx 2.5&3.3 only)
Novarossi bearings last a lifetime? Oh wel, what is the lifetime of a 60.000 rpm running engine? But hey, Abec is junk.....
Lifetime connecting rod? Again, the life at 60.000 rpm is short
#11
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Re-heat treat a crank with carbon???? Re-heating a crank can result in a bended crank or a to hard crank snapping in pieces..
Novarossi bearings last a lifetime? Oh wel, what is the lifetime of a 60.000 rpm running engine? But hey, Abec is junk.....
Lifetime connecting rod? Again, the life at 60.000 rpm is short
Novarossi bearings last a lifetime? Oh wel, what is the lifetime of a 60.000 rpm running engine? But hey, Abec is junk.....
Lifetime connecting rod? Again, the life at 60.000 rpm is short

#12
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Re-heat treat a crank with carbon???? Re-heating a crank can result in a bended crank or a to hard crank snapping in pieces..
Novarossi bearings last a lifetime? Oh wel, what is the lifetime of a 60.000 rpm running engine? But hey, Abec is junk.....
Lifetime connecting rod? Again, the life at 60.000 rpm is short
Novarossi bearings last a lifetime? Oh wel, what is the lifetime of a 60.000 rpm running engine? But hey, Abec is junk.....
Lifetime connecting rod? Again, the life at 60.000 rpm is short

#14
We use 55%-65% nitro on these engines for drag racing. That will be a bad combination! The practical RPM range of a Virtus(the current engine I run) is 6000-46,800rpms. If you add 15,000rmps, you are bringing this engine to 63,800 RPMs!
I am not an expert nor an engineer but something don't add up here. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm all about learning.
#15
As mentioned maybe in free air but on the track no engine is comming beyond the 50,000rpm. The only one who did was the Orion CRF Wasp, it needed a light gearing to come alive reaching the same speeds as others on a heavy gearing. Regarding the designer of that engine it has runned 55.000 rpm on a testbench.



