If we lead you to the water you would drown reading lamo !! I got a secret for ya it's called test!! Put the book down !!
u will be ok I got faith in you !!

Okay, this may require a road trip. Where do you race and what's the schedule?

I ran floyd Bennett feild, now I just built Wagner park in nj floyd wss in NY I'm sure you heard of floyd ..

This discussion reminds me of the numerous “discussions” over on another big RC site with a guy that went by the name “txt killer”. No amount of common sense could be spoken to that guy. We better get our compression gauges.. :D

I know I hate when people wont at least just say hey maybe it could be possible I should test first instead of just being stuck on what the book tells me ..

And you have to realize that some things are set in stone, there is no if's, but's or maybe's about it.
So wouldn't the best be to use both theory and practical testing? I for one don't say that you aren't quicker the way you have your car setup, but that's a solution you found, not an answer to what's going on. (If that makes sens)
There is a lot of engine related things that isn't understod to this day, but this isn't one of those things. (<-- I'm just talking about the engine here, not the whole setup and what that does.)

Thank you u just answered the question you are rigjt there are alot of things that are not understood so before u say it's set in stone test and u migjt see...u might be surprised funny but wjen we went through this last time most agreed at the end a shorter manifold would make a pulse wave return faster and thus causing as it's called coming on the pipe faster so there only one way and is to test forget setups the testing I do is within min of each other not a day later or an hour later, and dont matter if I'm faster I'm testing on the same car I'm talking same top speed but bottom end improved and caused laps times to go down
I understand it's hard for people to test that dont habe there own facility and lap counting system so it makes it difficult but if your an advanced driver and tuner you can tell
..so I will end with I really cant answer you know more with out you testing other wise you really have no ground to stand on. I read all the stuff also but if you dont do both you wasting your answers thanks it's been fun. I'm sure in 1000 years eienstin wasnt akways rigjt!! Lol

Oh wait you want to talk about what the medium header does next !!! Oh boy we need more beer !!!

I might know a few guys from Floyd.

I can't wait to hear what a medium header does. Let me go grab a six pack and ask you about a conical manifold. Hell, I'll grab a case - how do you feel about mileage?

Well, the difference between you and I is that I do both practical testing and theoretical work, it's the only way if you want to see the whole picture. You are chasing your tail, contradicting yourself all the time, and don't have the logic to understand it... Let alone being able to give anyone here an answer to things we explain. I could dwell in to the reasons why that is likely so, but it's not the time and place to moonlight as a psychologist. Should have gotten beer instead of coffee... :rolleyes:

It is like that only if you run more than 17.576% Nitro.
And if you run less than 11% oil, it is the other way.
And if it is a cloudy day....

[QUOTE=NitroVein;15241352]Well, the difference between you and I is that I do both practical testing and theoretical work, it's the only way if you want to see the whole picture. You are chasing your tail, contradicting yourself all the time, and don't have the logic to understand it... Let alone being able to give anyone here an answer to things we explain. I could dwell in to the reasons why that is likely so, but it's not the time and place to moonlight as a psychologist. Should have gotten beer instead of coffee... :rolleyes:[/QU

dude do you understand what a forum is for ? its to share knowledge and idea's and to try different things and share info with others.that is open for discussion. when someone posts like I did and says what I did about testing a shorter manifold and how i get better bottom end and I share my knowledge and my findings and offer how I was testing it and so on, and for someone like you to jump in and says its not possible all the books teach you differently and it cant be and so on and so on is just a very ignorant person of the highest level. did I say everyone must switch and run it this way ? did I say everyone is wrong ? I said its possible and nothing is set in stone. but again you say its not possible !! im glad so many great innovators in history did not have your outlook on things or this world would still be in the stone age. do you really think people have not challenged what great's from the past like eienstrin have wrote in books !!! of course they have and some have even proved some of his work wrong... you have probably never even tried certain things in 10 years because all the books say different well that's what sets apart a great mind like myself and ignorance like you I think out side the box and thinking outside the box is what makes someone advance. so if I was you before jumping in and saying its not possible I would try things first before I answer..... or just stay at the level your on what ever that is maybe u are happy there. I still cant get over you would even say its not possible lol what you don't understand is there is no wrong or right there is different idea's = testing= results...its you are the one that its a waste of time to explain things to

oh and right about this point when u finally realize what you sound like and you have like nothing left to come back with and think you want to get to me and are going to use learn how to write and spell first, well its been posted 100 times and I prefer to write like this....so that doesn't work thanks lol.

also can you explain to me how you do your practical and theoretical work l would love to hear this lol on a pipe and manifold that have been around for 50 years and has 1000 articals on it where all this work has been done when they made the product from scratch and it takes 3 min to read all the data on shape sizes and lenths. you make it sound like your creating something new and had to study all the laws of physics before you can attach a pipe and 3 different manifolds to test on a lap counter, and you had to mention it in every post lmao!! thanks Einstein !!! stop smoking the Swedish opium maybe you will hear your self better!! imagine if you were wrong after all your practical and theoretical book reading man I would hate to be you, you might jump off the bridge !! the laces were in!!! lol

Dude. You got some serious issues.