Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Nitro On-Road > Onroad Nitro Engine Zone
Differences in 3.5CC motors? >

Differences in 3.5CC motors?

Community
Wiki Posts
Search
Like Tree4Likes
  • 1 Post By Roelof
  • 1 Post By petersen114
  • 1 Post By JSHuiting
  • 1 Post By Roelof

Differences in 3.5CC motors?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-22-2024 | 02:32 PM
  #1  
JSHuiting's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tech Adept
 
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 135
From: Netherland
Default Differences in 3.5CC motors?

I'm looking into the 1/8th on-road class for next year but i can't figure out what motor i need.

Are all 3.5cc motors roughly the same? Are some ported differently for off road maybe?
I was looking at O.S and FX Engines but most come with 180 degree exhaust flanges which i assume are for off road?

If anyone can point me in the right direction or suggest me a good starter motor please let me know.
JSHuiting is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 02:57 AM
  #2  
Roelof's Avatar
Tech Lord
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,044
From: Holland
Default

All competition engines come with a rear exhaust. What 1/8 onroad you want to drive? GT or the pancar type?
Differences offroad/GT and onroad is the size of the cooling head, most offroad/GT are about 60mm diameter and the rotation of the carburettor while with the pancar type the heads are 50-54mm and a switched direction of the carburettor. And yes, technically there are also differences making the needed performance, also with the used exhaust systems (offroad has a longer manifold)

If it is about a GT you basically van use any offroad and GT type engine, if you want to go racing there is a (stupid) limit of 5 ports you need to take care of. Most pancar type engines today have 7 or 9 ports. If you want to start with a decent engine the OS R21max art.nr. OS1B900 is a good start.
JSHuiting likes this.
Roelof is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 03:02 AM
  #3  
petersen114's Avatar
Tech Elite
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,400
Default

Originally Posted by JSHuiting
I'm looking into the 1/8th on-road class for next year but i can't figure out what motor i need.

Are all 3.5cc motors roughly the same? Are some ported differently for off road maybe?
I was looking at O.S and FX Engines but most come with 180 degree exhaust flanges which i assume are for off road?

If anyone can point me in the right direction or suggest me a good starter motor please let me know.
What separates the on and off road engines is their timings. On road engines use a more of a L shaped header whereas off road uses a U shaped header. On road GT8 also uses an off road header.
JSHuiting likes this.
petersen114 is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 03:45 AM
  #4  
Roelof's Avatar
Tech Lord
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,044
From: Holland
Default

For GT there are much shorter U shaped manifolds giving the exhaust length more an onroad use.
Roelof is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 06:03 AM
  #5  
JSHuiting's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tech Adept
 
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 135
From: Netherland
Default

Originally Posted by Roelof
For GT there are much shorter U shaped manifolds giving the exhaust length more an onroad use.
Thanks for all the info, i should have said from the start that it is for a 1/8th pan car.

GT and offroad motors seem to be plenty available at shops like KleinKram, but for pan cars i see nothing specific.
All of them except for two 2.11cc motors come with big heads, 5 or less ports, U shaped exhaust flanges, and carbs the other way arround.

I feel like i am overthinking this, but for how expensive these motors are i really want to get the correct variant.

Edit : https://www.worldchampionproducts.co...efra-2115.html
Something like this seems to be what i should be looking for?

Last edited by JSHuiting; 10-23-2024 at 12:48 PM.
JSHuiting is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 07:16 AM
  #6  
Roelof's Avatar
Tech Lord
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,044
From: Holland
Default

Yep, it is not the fastest motor but for sure very decent and affordable. Probably you are going to run it on 16% fuel, in that case you must remove the 0.1mm headshim. And the ENS set comes I believe with an 8mm insert in the carburettor. If so the replace it by an 8.5 or 9mm (if you are not going to run the ENS or the German Hobbycup.

If money does not matter you can always go for an 05 or 06 engine (VS or OS), they are fast, powerful and competive with all other top engines but also require more attention.
In that range you have also Ielasi tuned, Hasi, ASM, GiMar and Kabuto. All OS based with some extra mods.
Other high rated brand is MAX, only very expensive.....
Then there is Picco currently with their Monza9, this engine is only fast with the latest MAX exhaust.
And there is the FTX line like XRD, Sirio etc but there are not much selling points.
Roelof is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 01:11 PM
  #7  
JSHuiting's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tech Adept
 
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 135
From: Netherland
Default

I looked up some of those motors, but i ran into your channel most of the time.

However i settled for the O.S 2115, if i do well and have fun the next season i can always settle for an upgrade the next one.
But i'm sure it'll take me a few seasons to get the most out of this motor first anyway.
JSHuiting is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 02:23 PM
  #8  
Roelof's Avatar
Tech Lord
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,044
From: Holland
Default

Originally Posted by JSHuiting
I looked up some of those motors, but i ran into your channel most of the time.

However i settled for the O.S 2115, if i do well and have fun the next season i can always settle for an upgrade the next one.
But i'm sure it'll take me a few seasons to get the most out of this motor first anyway.
My channel????

Another tip. If you are going to use fuel from Energy or the European Maxima (= energy) it is wise for your engine to add 1% extra castor oil. I use Eurol Racing-1 but any racing castor will work.
Roelof is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 02:37 PM
  #9  
JSHuiting's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tech Adept
 
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 135
From: Netherland
Default

Originally Posted by Roelof
My channel????
I assume this is yours? There can't be that many dutch nitro gurus called Roelof

Originally Posted by Roelof
Another tip. If you are going to use fuel from Energy or the European Maxima (= energy) it is wise for your engine to add 1% extra castor oil. I use Eurol Racing-1 but any racing castor will work.
I'll order some trough work, thanks

JSHuiting is offline  
Old 10-23-2024 | 03:19 PM
  #10  
Roelof's Avatar
Tech Lord
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,044
From: Holland
Default

Ah, my youtube channel....

I have all over the net published some projects. Like this one regarding this blue head OSMAX Modding en mechanica maar dan net iets anders - Modding, mechanica en elektronica - GoT

Roelof is offline  
Old 11-11-2024 | 02:51 PM
  #11  
JSHuiting's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tech Adept
 
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 135
From: Netherland
Default

Everything is coming along nicely but i have the feeling my exhaust is slightly too big?
If i mount it in a specific way i can make it clear the tire and turnbuckle, but just by mere millimeters.





1/8 IC Fan likes this.
JSHuiting is offline  
Old 11-11-2024 | 03:40 PM
  #12  
Roelof's Avatar
Tech Lord
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,044
From: Holland
Default

Just move the exhaust on the front side a bit closer to the chassis
1/8 IC Fan likes this.
Roelof is offline  
Old 11-16-2024 | 05:55 AM
  #13  
1/8 IC Fan's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (102)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,646
From: Holland, MI
Default

Like Roelof stated, your pipe is "Flexible" via the connections at the header and the Pipe, the Pipe Mount Wire allows you to fine tune its location. Also you can turn the header a tiny amount Anti Clockwise which may allow for a loss of 1 mm or 2 in overall length. Either way great setup, and anything Mugen and Rody is ok in my book! (Roelofs too, as he like I are Mugen guys)
1/8 IC Fan is offline  
Old 11-17-2024 | 12:38 PM
  #14  
JSHuiting's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tech Adept
 
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 135
From: Netherland
Default

Thank you both, completed the kit and everything fits like a glove now.
Clutch came together properly after pulling the crankshaft while mounting the cone as Roelof suggested.

The only thing still left do is cut the body, but i can't find any guides on how to do this properly.
Are there body/chassis specific templates or measurements for this, like petitrc has for 1/10 TC cars?
JSHuiting is offline  
Old 11-17-2024 | 01:52 PM
  #15  
Roelof's Avatar
Tech Lord
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,044
From: Holland
Default

You can get pre-cut bodies. But yes, there are printable templates to find.
Roelof is offline  

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.