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#31
I would say a good 99.9% of the people adding castor oil to an existing fuel do so because it's common practice, not because they have tested it, as it's used the same way with any fuel.
Onroad is also very different from anything else for Several reasons, one of them is how they stress their engines, it's not about getting 10 gallons out of it but keeping it in one piece and castor is great for that. At the big races they can go through several engines during a weekend (at least they did, not sure if rules has changed that).
Onroad is also very different from anything else for Several reasons, one of them is how they stress their engines, it's not about getting 10 gallons out of it but keeping it in one piece and castor is great for that. At the big races they can go through several engines during a weekend (at least they did, not sure if rules has changed that).
And we all know a lot of people are fans of such topdrivers, they follow them in everything they do. So if their icon is putting a drop of oil in the fuel and winning races then the fanbase will do that also.
Regarding the amount of engines. Yes, I have runned 2 worlds where 3 engines max could be used, they were marked. I do not know how it is today.
#33
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I see several points got lost in translation..
Working within the limits means not pushing it so far that it unzips and you end up with a thermal/lubrication runaway. I don’t need to destroy an engine to find out what a PAG synthetic will do if pushed too far. That’s well known. Castor is no different, neither is any other Pxx type of oil. Every oil has a thermal limit to which it still lubricates versus burning and creating power.
Anyway, moving along........

Working within the limits means not pushing it so far that it unzips and you end up with a thermal/lubrication runaway. I don’t need to destroy an engine to find out what a PAG synthetic will do if pushed too far. That’s well known. Castor is no different, neither is any other Pxx type of oil. Every oil has a thermal limit to which it still lubricates versus burning and creating power.
Anyway, moving along........


After thinking about it more, most of what’s been said here is pertinent to the thread in one way or another. People add oil to their fuel - regardless of why - and it seems to work well when castor is used. There are suitable synthetics that could be used instead of Castor, but nobody has yet to divulge what the more suitable substitutes are. Most of the common everyday synthetics are rubbish generally, but people have used them for eons without any or much issue. People sneered at me when I talked about using automotive PAG 100 and PAG 150 oil from the auto parts store leftover from when I changed AC compressors in my 1:1 vehicles. It mixed with the fuel and ran as fine as the other synthetics I’ve used.
So at the end of it, please share what synthetics you actually USE and why you use it.
So at the end of it, please share what synthetics you actually USE and why you use it.
#34
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Do not forget that todays sponsoring deals are not that big as in the early days. Several topdrivers just get 2 or 3 engines and maybe 1 or 2 more when there is a big event like the worlds. That will make such drivers more carefull with their engines like adding an extra drop of castor, for sure when they know their sponsored fuel has a low oil content (lower than the consumer version).
And we all know a lot of people are fans of such topdrivers, they follow them in everything they do. So if their icon is putting a drop of oil in the fuel and winning races then the fanbase will do that also.
Regarding the amount of engines. Yes, I have runned 2 worlds where 3 engines max could be used, they were marked. I do not know how it is today.
And we all know a lot of people are fans of such topdrivers, they follow them in everything they do. So if their icon is putting a drop of oil in the fuel and winning races then the fanbase will do that also.
Regarding the amount of engines. Yes, I have runned 2 worlds where 3 engines max could be used, they were marked. I do not know how it is today.
I can see that changes in the sponsoring deals now days can make a huge difference, money is tight everywhere, so if they get a deal on fuel from one mfg they will need to make it work. Sometimes it's perhaps not even about the fuel, I know in offroad some engine mfg knows that their engines don't last so they give the drivers more engines compared to other engine mfg.
It's a lot that happens behind the curtains that few see.
#35
I even know a driver that sells his sponsored fuel and puts Runnertime in one of his cans of his fuel sponsor. How about fooling the customers.....
The blends I have raced with:
- 3% Castrol M50 (now known as Racing-M) combined with 6% Castrol MSSR (both are hard to find)
- 9% Euro Racing 1 (in hot weather perfect, in cold it will give a performance loss)
- 10% Shell Advance Racing M (very thin so need to turn in the needles and will give a very black engine)
- 3% Eurol Racing 1 combined with 6% Eurol Racing RX (perfect combination for a good performance and lifespan)
The blends I have raced with:
- 3% Castrol M50 (now known as Racing-M) combined with 6% Castrol MSSR (both are hard to find)
- 9% Euro Racing 1 (in hot weather perfect, in cold it will give a performance loss)
- 10% Shell Advance Racing M (very thin so need to turn in the needles and will give a very black engine)
- 3% Eurol Racing 1 combined with 6% Eurol Racing RX (perfect combination for a good performance and lifespan)
#36
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I even know a driver that sells his sponsored fuel and puts Runnertime in one of his cans of his fuel sponsor. How about fooling the customers.....
The blends I have raced with:
- 3% Castrol M50 (now known as Racing-M) combined with 6% Castrol MSSR (both are hard to find)
- 9% Euro Racing 1 (in hot weather perfect, in cold it will give a performance loss)
- 10% Shell Advance Racing M (very thin so need to turn in the needles and will give a very black engine)
- 3% Eurol Racing 1 combined with 6% Eurol Racing RX (perfect combination for a good performance and lifespan)
The blends I have raced with:
- 3% Castrol M50 (now known as Racing-M) combined with 6% Castrol MSSR (both are hard to find)
- 9% Euro Racing 1 (in hot weather perfect, in cold it will give a performance loss)
- 10% Shell Advance Racing M (very thin so need to turn in the needles and will give a very black engine)
- 3% Eurol Racing 1 combined with 6% Eurol Racing RX (perfect combination for a good performance and lifespan)
The classic MSSR and M, something I used in the early years as well, I believe MSSR was a gear lubricant.
The Castrol M was something like 99,5% pure castor, ran really great on it's own as well, but just like you say in cold or wet climate they don't work too well.
#37
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You know what, Nevermind.
Daniel - I cannot thank you enough for all of what you shared with me over the last year or two. It’s been much appreciated. I think the translation part is simply a matter of misreading the intent/attitude of a post. But I get where you probably feel offended or pissed off by how I worded my posts. My apologies.
I understand things pretty clearly, but perhaps not clear enough for you. Sorry I couldn’t satisfy you.
I’m done. Thanks again.
Daniel - I cannot thank you enough for all of what you shared with me over the last year or two. It’s been much appreciated. I think the translation part is simply a matter of misreading the intent/attitude of a post. But I get where you probably feel offended or pissed off by how I worded my posts. My apologies.
I understand things pretty clearly, but perhaps not clear enough for you. Sorry I couldn’t satisfy you.
I’m done. Thanks again.
#38
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I even know a driver that sells his sponsored fuel and puts Runnertime in one of his cans of his fuel sponsor. How about fooling the customers.....
The blends I have raced with:
- 3% Castrol M50 (now known as Racing-M) combined with 6% Castrol MSSR (both are hard to find)
- 9% Euro Racing 1 (in hot weather perfect, in cold it will give a performance loss)
- 10% Shell Advance Racing M (very thin so need to turn in the needles and will give a very black engine)
- 3% Eurol Racing 1 combined with 6% Eurol Racing RX (perfect combination for a good performance and lifespan)
The blends I have raced with:
- 3% Castrol M50 (now known as Racing-M) combined with 6% Castrol MSSR (both are hard to find)
- 9% Euro Racing 1 (in hot weather perfect, in cold it will give a performance loss)
- 10% Shell Advance Racing M (very thin so need to turn in the needles and will give a very black engine)
- 3% Eurol Racing 1 combined with 6% Eurol Racing RX (perfect combination for a good performance and lifespan)



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