Purpose of an exhaust port that isn't flush with the piston at BDC?
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One of my old engines has an exhaust port with a lower edge that is about 1mm higher-up than the surface of the piston at BDC. It's the only engine I have that's like this. Does the lip below the exhaust port at BDC serve a useful purpose, or is it just the result of low-cost machining?
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I’ve never heard of a anti-reversion device employed in a Schnürle scavenged (ported) engine. That’s not to say it wouldn’t serve that function, but the reality is it likely doesn’t serve that purpose well at all considering the Schnürle port arrangement. The port arrangement and timing sequence pretty much causes the A/F charge to make a loop going up towards the glow plug, bouncing off the top of the chamber, and basically shooting towards the exhaust port. I suspect it’s one of those things where they use the same piston and liner in many engines and with certain stroke lengths and/or crankcases, the piston ends up being below the bottom of the exhaust port in the liner at BDC. I have many engines that have this “feature”, but none of them have “pipe timing”.
The old cross scavenged engines had a baffle machined into the top of the piston that, when the transfer ports opened, the fuel mixture hit that baffle and went up toward the glow plug(s). (Some engines employed dual glow plugs)
The old cross scavenged engines had a baffle machined into the top of the piston that, when the transfer ports opened, the fuel mixture hit that baffle and went up toward the glow plug(s). (Some engines employed dual glow plugs)
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I've heard of that old design with ramped pistons and I've seen diagrams before, but I didn't know it was ever used in RC engines. Pics?
I have 6 different types of engines in my fleet, and only one of them has a lip under the exhaust port. That's why it seems so odd to me. It honestly looks more like the sleeve is just being used in an engine with longer stroke than the sleeve was originally designed for.
I have 6 different types of engines in my fleet, and only one of them has a lip under the exhaust port. That's why it seems so odd to me. It honestly looks more like the sleeve is just being used in an engine with longer stroke than the sleeve was originally designed for.
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I've heard of that old design with ramped pistons and I've seen diagrams before, but I didn't know it was ever used in RC engines. Pics?
I have 6 different types of engines in my fleet, and only one of them has a lip under the exhaust port. That's why it seems so odd to me. It honestly looks more like the sleeve is just being used in an engine with longer stroke than the sleeve was originally designed for.
I have 6 different types of engines in my fleet, and only one of them has a lip under the exhaust port. That's why it seems so odd to me. It honestly looks more like the sleeve is just being used in an engine with longer stroke than the sleeve was originally designed for.
According to a friend of mine, the ideal location for the top of the piston at BDC is flush with the bottom of the exhaust port. Below the exhaust port can mess with scavenging; in his words.
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Here’s a few pics of a cross flow scavenging setup. The ports with the black around them are the exhaust ports, the other square ports are induction ports and the little thin slit ports are called PDP ports. (Perry Directional Porting). This is from a German HB .40 PDP Blitz. Liner is chromed and it uses a narrow piston ring on an aluminum piston; conrod is forged aluminum; not cast and not machined from billet.
Old school cross flow engines used a Meehanite piston in a (usually) hardened steel liner. Some guys used steel pistons in steel liners too.
Old school cross flow engines used a Meehanite piston in a (usually) hardened steel liner. Some guys used steel pistons in steel liners too.
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The PDP Blitz is from the very latest of the 1970s into the early 80s. The PDP debuted in 1977 and the Chromed PDP “Blitz” a few years after. It’s listed at .84hp@16,500rpm, although it would likely do much better if it had a Dykes piston ring instead (as most other HB engines were so equipped).
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I have the HB Grand Prix .21 engine over here, it has a same look a like piston with piston rings and a cam on the piston.
I still need to build it up as an ideal rain engine for my MRX6
Oh, look here for parts and manuals:
http://www.mecoa.com/hb/parts.htm
I still need to build it up as an ideal rain engine for my MRX6
Oh, look here for parts and manuals:
http://www.mecoa.com/hb/parts.htm
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It takes some balls to accuse someone of being a thief without knowing all the facts.



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