With the MR12 Ninja.

Just wondering if it worth purchasing........ Have the standard pipe that comes with the combo.

The pipe is the same shape, it will have the same performance, the only difference is the material its made out of and the locking system from the pipe to the manifold. The weld around the stinger seems to be weak mine broke and another person on this board has had his fall off.

if you have the standard pipe and its good stay with it,the fls pipe is cool but the stinger dose fall off,not break off,fall off.

I have both the FLS and standard Ninja mufflers for my MR21 R01A Murnan Ceramic and I still use the standard one. The FLS idea is cool but it seems to be a bit of a gimmick and is still not very well designed. Mine has not fallen off yet but the seal does not feel as tight as the standard Ninja muffler.

If there is no difference in performance and it costs more than the standard pipe then it sounds like a bit of a gimmick.

I would stick with the standard muffler unless you are a bling man :)

Thanks for the reply guys.

I shall stay with what I have got then and save my pennys for something else:)

In all honesty I love the engine and the performance and swore to people a few weeks before the GLC that the pipe was the greatest. Then came the GLC not only did the stinger come off on both the hardened pipe but on the engine the exhaust port was cracked. I am sure that the same way that the 1/8 pipe has the additional piece to strengthen it the 1/0 will have that soon. Rest assured MUGEN is not running gimmicks, the advantages of the hardened pipe are in performance the pipes dimensions are slightly different and the twist lock is an advance in technology for pipes. The O ring theory is a master piece, no blow back, no leaks, no pipe movement and drop in performance makes it worth it to have on the car.

Until they make the pipe with a support bracket on the stingers strategically place some JB Quick or JB weld epoxy around the stinger to give it some back bone and it will hold up. I dont think anyone has complained about performance so it is really a point of minor flaws that I am sure will be corrected.

I could not feel a significant difference in performance between the FLS and standard Ninja .21 pipes. This is a problem at least here in Europe because the pricing is very different - the FLS is quite a bit more expensive. Has anybody else compared the two side by side and noticed a significant difference in power?

N.B. I am referring to the Ninja .21 pipes and not .12 pipes ;)

i dont think the FLS pipe is a gimmick,but they do have to bump up the weld on the stinger.

so what is looking like the life span of these ninjas? 12s?
i know a guy that has had half a season on his and it is about done?

Both are basically the same when it comes to performance, the only reason why the "FLS" (Fast Link System) is more expensive is the Titanium coating it have that makes the overall pipe more durable (harder) and of course the "FLS".

well i have about 20L through mine and its fine.
and stupid fast.:D

25 L
and counting and still so damm fast
ppl are getting mad at me coz my 330.00 motor is faster than there 500.00 motor.
:sneaky:

Many people doesn't realize that more power doesn't means better laptimes.... :D

Power is there, but is the power curve the one that makes wonders... less rip so less chances of getting screwed by himself if the driver has their throttle finger really rude.

I got to see one up close and personal on a mostly stock MTX4 and I was impressed. Not sure to say if it was faster than the JLR...though compared to the way my friend ran his I'd have to say faster. Surely with similar setups there may not be much of a difference.

thats true iv found with this motor i have to be on my toes with the power and really think on what im doing
but its so much fun. :)