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ATOM engines thread
After one year of testing and good results in Asian races, the ATOM Vortex will come soon on worldwide market...
This new engine brand is based on GO engines. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7350/1...52358dc003.jpg |
The VORTEX is available for export now and the exhaust system EFRA2106 at the mid of november.
Engine details from ATOM : Displacement :3.46cc Bore :16.60mm Stroke :16.0mm Practical RPM :3500 ~ 40000 RPM Power Output :2.58 hp / 35000 RPM Weight :326 grams Ports :3 Intake Ports Construction Type :ABC More informations after I have received the sample... http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3733/1...39785063f8.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/1...259b1c2f79.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2831/1...af6c2439bf.jpghttp://farm3.staticflickr.com/2821/1...a6aed8ddac.jpg |
Base price??
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Indeed, the relevant questions are "how much does it cost" and "where can I get one"?
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Is there any confirmed differences between the Arrow GTR/Alturn/Scanner and ATOM besides the traditional turbo cut in the crank (other than cosmetic)?
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Well I'm no expert, but straight off the bat I can tell you the Go crankcase, which is what this looks like, is a lot better than that cheapo picco knockoff they've used for the Alturn/Arrow..
Heatsink head looks like it's a low CG head like modern engines have. Anyhow.. if it performs like an Arrow GTR in a better case, then I'd want one. I ran an Arrow GTR in a Ninja (xz-b style) case, and I was well pleased with that. |
A technical update I received from ATOM :
"The ATOM Vortex V1's crankcase has the resemblence of GO Engines high-end engines however the internal channels are NOT from GO Engine. The airflow channels are casted from a new mould made by ATOM. This particular type of airflow channel design is made specifically for short-stroke engines only. This means V1's crankcase is NOT compatible with GO Engine or any other brands and the bearing specifications are not the same either. The mixture control valve has been re-modified to enhance airflow rate and stability. The cooling head is made to achieve low-center gravity and lightened as well. The heat distribution and dissipation abilities of this new cooling head is much greater than many competing brands. The conrod weighs less than 3 grams." |
Looks like a nice engine...too bad no lightened and filled crankshaft like the 5RHO... I too am curious to see the price.
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In Europe, I think the price will be approx $200 and $250 for the combo...
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You can see the pics gallery of the sample I received in december here : ATOM Vortex
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where can you get one from?
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The sample I received come directly from ATOM because I know the sale manager.
Currently, this engine is available in Asia and in France in middle of february, I don't know if ATOM have a contact in USA. |
This motor looks so sooo much like the O'Donnell SS .21 except the SS .21 had 16.45 by 16.45 bore and stroke. Carb everything except cooling head are very similiar. Not that it is bad cause I love my O'Donnell SS .21 so much that I have 2 of them.
Is there any coating on the crank? |
Atom and Arrow looks the same.
Just some cosmetic changes. Wondering, what's the distributors of Arrow engine are thinking if the same thing hits the same country. Just another Taiwanese / Chinese company way of doing business. |
I just thought how damn funny would it be to have a China copy of a China copy. Think about that.
Not all China/Taiwan motors are junk or are copies. Alpha makes some damn good motors and Go motors are stout. I have a $80 Go .25 sport and its pretty damn impressive especially when you consider that a 5 year old got paid 2, maybe 3 bowls of rice to put about 30 of them together. |
When an Italian manufacturer made for all, nobody will say this is a copy but if it's an Asian manufacturer, it's automaticaly a copy... except OS ;)
Every manufacturers can made a copy or specific engine ! WEIKEN Racing works on this engine since one year, some people of ATOM come from GO and ARROW and it's not a secret that ARROW engines are made by GO and the ATOM too, but if you look the VORTEX, you can see there is lots of specific parts, the piston, sleeve, conrod, crankshaft, crankcase ( internal mould ), cooling head, needles of carburator, no suitable for other engines... |
Originally Posted by zandrew
(Post 12940207)
I just thought how damn funny would it be to have a China copy of a China copy. Think about that.
Another great example is HobbyWing... a Chinese company that has a bunch of other Chinese companies making knock-offs, so much so that HobbyWing needed to even employ a genuine security label system for consumers to verify they've bought the real deal. |
Originally Posted by pcage
(Post 12940048)
Atom and Arrow looks the same.
Just some cosmetic changes. The weak point of the Arrow engine was the crank case. It would split down the middle of the bottom of it, and basicly it was just an awful crankcase. I think that was some sort of knockoff of an old Picco case. Go engines seem to be the manufacturer of Arrow engines. They might have picked up on the fact that the Arrow engines had a reputation of crankcase failure. Then they would want to "start afresh". When I ran the Arrow engine I put all of it into an old Ninja JX crankcase (OS). I was happy with that, it ran pretty good. The Go GX crankcase is a very solid crankcase, and I've never seen one fail. So it makes sense to make this engine with an improved crankcase. Furthermore all the new engines now seem to come with low CG heads. They've put a low CG head on this as well. I think that's a good idea. So basicly they've gone with their concept, and improved it technically to be better quality/reliability and lower CG. In terms of what it is, it's a nice engine, if you ask me. Basicly a knockoff of OS VZ-B, an engine that people liked. I'd be tempted to get one if I found one at a good price. The porting won't be the same and the crank is a bit more basic, but it has similar timing.
Originally Posted by pcage
(Post 12940048)
Wondering, what's the distributors of Arrow engine are thinking if the same thing hits the same country.
2. Those distributors are likely to be the same ones that pick up this line of engine :) |
Originally Posted by zandrew
(Post 12940207)
how damn funny would it be to have a China copy of a China copy.
This is the same company, Go, making an improved version of the same engine, under a different brand, so that people will give it another chance. I'm quite convinced that with this crankcase the engine will last 2x longer, because that's the part that was breaking. The crankshaft also looks to be improved, and the low CG head will be something that people want. |
Originally Posted by Rsickles
(Post 12942081)
This is actually pretty common... look at Hobby King. They have lots of [poor] copies of Chinese-manufactured stuff.
Another great example is HobbyWing... a Chinese company that has a bunch of other Chinese companies making knock-offs, so much so that HobbyWing needed to even employ a genuine security label system for consumers to verify they've bought the real deal. My point is that some of those knock offs are pretty good. In some cases maybe as good as what they are knocking off. I know some of the OS motors have crank issues and the Arrow crank would fix those issues. Kind of funny. El Vind you realize the company that makes this motor is the same company you said you would never buy a product from? |
If Arrow had a case problem, fix it. Do not forget when you put a engine in the market, some poor soul would spend a portion of their salary buying it. HOPEFULLY, IT IS A GOOD MOTOR. By changing to another brand, simply a fact of denial. That's what I call cheating.
Go Engine may simply try to dump it's crap to consumers and did some cosmetically change to it. Hey. New name. Brand new. No problem anymore. I find it ridiculous. |
Originally Posted by pcage
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If Arrow had a case problem, fix it.
... Go Engine may simply try to dump it's crap to consumers and did some cosmetically change to it. Hey. New name. Brand new. No problem anymore. I find it ridiculous. Also, did you think that perhaps this might be an OEM product? Much like other companies like Bullitt, LRP or RB order their engines made by Novarossi, Picco or OS, this might be a case of a company having ordered an engine manufactured for them under their name. These people might not have anything to do with Arrow at all. They might have said: "we want an engine of such and such stroke, with a low CG head, and a better crank case" I don't think any of us know anything about this company and as such can't say for sure what it is. If you look at their pipe, the EFRA 2106, it says on the EFRA document: http://news.efra.ws/fileadmin/docume...nov%202013.pdf "EFRA 2106 HsiChia Co. Ltd / Weiken" That would appear to be the "Weiken" that people are listing as the company behind the Atom engines. |
I am with Eivind, just because Go makes it doesnt mean it is a Go product. Same thing with Rb and Nova, Rb has Nova make them to their specs. Go did have the Cera which was a short stroke but they decided for some reason to not sell them.
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The engine market is so saturated unless someone releases an engine on par with Nova and OS for $100 I just don't see any of these new companies selling enough product to stay afloat.
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ATOM is the engine brand of WEIKEN Racing as JS Racing is the engine brand of Global Hobbies.
The VORTEX is not a assembly of GO parts but the assembly of parts manufactured by GO with the ATOM specifications. The engine market is saturated by rebadged engines but there are also some people who realy work to offer new engines as ATOM, PRECIROTATE, ARGUS, SOAR, etc... let them a chance !!! |
I was not trying to stop them from having their chance. If they can succeed than more power to them. I'm just saying there are allot of great engines on the market right now that are not selling and it's strictly because there are allot of great engines on the market right now. There is only 2 ways that I see to crack into the market with an engine brand. 1. Make it better than anything else out there like FX is doing or 2. Make it decent but so cheap that people will at least try it. A good running engine that gets ample runtime, is easy to tune and lasts 4-5 gallons for $100 would fly off the shelves.
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I agree with Jaz240 in some of the points he brought up. These company simply don't stay afloat for long. We are wiling to give a chance to anyone. We are consumers. I did have a couple of Arrows it ran great for that price. I have no problems so far. Now this. Atom have better engine than Arrow. Arrow had problems. So why didn't Arrow notify it's distributor and give out replacement. That's what I call good customer service.
when Jaz240 mention about FX. I would have no doubt buying one. Xray have great customer service. I am sure if we had a problem, XRAY would do anything to replace it or whatsoever. Just like what they did with their cars. So all these companies. OEM for different company ?. All based in the same area. Not from different countries. I doubt it. I bet they are from the same company. Well today Arrow, tomorrow Atom, what's next ? Alibaba. :lol: If all these belongs to Go. Give the consumers a break. Please make great motor, great price and please be responsible over what you put in market. When there's problems. Be responsible and provide after sales services. I am buying a OS XZB 2 engine next. |
I find it odd that people keep hammering GO for producing rebranded engines, yet make no mention of Novarossi, Picco, OS, etc. that do the same thing. There's probably 30 different "brands" that are made by Novarossi, and most of those are nothing but rebranded Novarossi products, usually based on the P5.
Originally Posted by Jaz240
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I was not trying to stop them from having their chance. If they can succeed than more power to them. I'm just saying there are allot of great engines on the market right now that are not selling and it's strictly because there are allot of great engines on the market right now. There is only 2 ways that I see to crack into the market with an engine brand. 1. Make it better than anything else out there like FX is doing or 2. Make it decent but so cheap that people will at least try it. A good running engine that gets ample runtime, is easy to tune and lasts 4-5 gallons for $100 would fly off the shelves.
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Imbue, we are not hammering. OEM is just fine. From Fusion, Bullit or else.
It just this thread admit there's a problem and now rebrand which I find it ridiculous. It is better now ! :confused: So everyone with a Arrow had a problem goes back to VP Pro USA now. I presume they still have engine in stock. I wonder how they react now ? One to one exchange to Atom. What if VP Pro isn't the distributor of Atom ? What if tomorrow Atom had issues again. Then Alibaba new OEM again. Come on. EG Toyota and Lexus had a problem. They rename it ? To Toyoda :lol: No. Toyota came back stronger. Recall, repair, guarantee else. Apple had great customer service though Samsung took a chunk of the market. That's what consumer like to see now. It's dollars and cents. It is not free. I just don't see OEM is a way out of doing things better. Go or it's distributor should admit the problem and remedy the issue. |
Todd I'm not bashing any of the factories. If My statements are difficult to understand that was not my meaning. All I am trying to say is that all these new engines on the market are just more and more product that has no demand. I'm not insinuating that any of them are bad. Actually I know for a fact that most of them are really good engines it's just that the Nitro RC market does not need anymore $200 good engines. There is enough of them dying a slow death already. You should know exactly what I'm talking about and how hard it is to move a product when there are 40 others already like it. The only way it works is if you make it allot better or allot cheaper but there are issues with that also. If its allot better and twice the price it's not selling. If its allot cheaper and a piece of junk it's not selling either. It needs to be good and cheap or better and the same price (reds, FX) to be successful. I am in no way attacking Atomic Engines. I just see it as another drop of water in an ocean.
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Originally Posted by Jaz240
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Todd I'm not bashing any of the factories. If My statements are difficult to understand that was not my meaning. All I am trying to say is that all these new engines on the market are just more and more product that has no demand. I'm not insinuating that any of them are bad. Actually I know for a fact that most of them are really good engines it's just that the Nitro RC market does not need anymore $200 good engines. There is enough of them dying a slow death already. You should know exactly what I'm talking about and how hard it is to move a product when there are 40 others already like it. The only way it works is if you make it allot better or allot cheaper but there are issues with that also. If its allot better and twice the price it's not selling. If its allot cheaper and a piece of junk it's not selling either. It needs to be good and cheap or better and the same price (reds, FX) to be successful. I am in no way attacking Atomic Engines. I just see it as another drop of water in an ocean.
Alex has done a solid job with Reds, and deserves all the successes they have. :) Basically, the biggest thing an engine, car, radio, etc. needs to have is a following of fans. You can produce an average product at an average price, and still do very well, so long as you have a built following of fans.
Originally Posted by pcage
(Post 12945726)
Imbue, we are not hammering. OEM is just fine. From Fusion, Bullit or else.
It just this thread admit there's a problem and now rebrand which I find it ridiculous. It is better now ! :confused: So everyone with a Arrow had a problem goes back to VP Pro USA now. I presume they still have engine in stock. I wonder how they react now ? One to one exchange to Atom. What if VP Pro isn't the distributor of Atom ? What if tomorrow Atom had issues again. Then Alibaba new OEM again. Come on. EG Toyota and Lexus had a problem. They rename it ? To Toyoda :lol: No. Toyota came back stronger. Recall, repair, guarantee else. Apple had great customer service though Samsung took a chunk of the market. That's what consumer like to see now. It's dollars and cents. It is not free. I just don't see OEM is a way out of doing things better. Go or it's distributor should admit the problem and remedy the issue. It's the difference between a Lucky 7 and a Maxy's engine. They're both the same thing, but they are for different customers of Novarossi. I have no iron in this fire. Just my observations. |
Go had a great thing going when they had the 3-, 5-, and 7-port combos on offer with a pipe, spare rod, two plugs, etc... - all priced competitively.
I kind of think there is a market for a sub-$200 engine - maybe like $200 including a pipe. The RB Blasts were good for that, but that source seems to be drying up.. Argus is back, so that's good. Werks is still there with the B2 and B5. Nova with the P5 and Mugen Beat B5 I guess.. But I think Jazz is right, and for myself anyway, as much as I'd like an FX, I just don't pay that much for engines. As long as there are still good ones to be had for half the price.. Not as good as an FX, of course. But better than half as good.. One thing I as a customer don't like about the engine market at the moment is that particular brands are more and more only available from one source. That keeps the price good for the distributor I guess, but not the customer. I like being able to find what I want on ebay, and from more than just one shop or source. |
Originally Posted by pcage
(Post 12945251)
I am buying a OS XZB 2 engine next. Rex |
So whats happening with the atom brand engine.. it being said that the difference is the bore and stroke.. they do look like a nice engine and do perform well.. but for a price of 200 it would be a great option for many.. and then theres opportunity for a tuned version of the engine.. filled crank , and weighted , dlc coated.. but yeah it doesnt leave much room for a new brand.. so for a 200 standard v1 and a tuned edition for say 265 inc a exhaust set.. id be happy to grab one..
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France ATOM Driver Jean Philippe Azoulay wins the Promo class in Race 1 of the League With Two laps on the Second Driver
http://www.asiarc.info/forum.php?mod...&extra=&page=3 posted : 2014-6-5 17:18 |
got a email from one of the shops in france selling the engines.. and they do stock them and will restock in January 2015.. at the moment there is only 1 left instock..
http://www.actionmodelisme.com/produ...id_product=461 other than that as far as i understood there may be a new page up but at this point its a 2 man company.. for a reasonable price.. always fun to try an engine thats competitive.. |
The 2015 version of the VORTEX with some updates will be available in middle of january.
1 - the burn room has been modified to advance the ignition timing. 2 - the conrod has been changed completely with a different stroke length and a single copper bushing insert. 3 - the sleeve has been modified to change the intake and exhaust timing to increase the high speed limit. The stroke of piston has been changed to increase life expectancy and to increase the oil retention ability on the surface of the sleeve and the micro-grooves are increased for an additional oil content. 4 - to maintain a higher degree of stability of the carburetor, the High Speed Needle has been modified. 5 - the cooling head color has been slightly modified. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8617/...6f13279eba.jpg |
How hard is it (relatively speaking) to break-in this engine? Is it really tight like the GO engines are?
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thats a good question.. will the sleeve and piston tolerances be like the GO.. very tight or like Alpha..
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