Todd I'm not bashing any of the factories. If My statements are difficult to understand that was not my meaning. All I am trying to say is that all these new engines on the market are just more and more product that has no demand. I'm not insinuating that any of them are bad. Actually I know for a fact that most of them are really good engines it's just that the Nitro RC market does not need anymore $200 good engines. There is enough of them dying a slow death already. You should know exactly what I'm talking about and how hard it is to move a product when there are 40 others already like it. The only way it works is if you make it allot better or allot cheaper but there are issues with that also. If its allot better and twice the price it's not selling. If its allot cheaper and a piece of junk it's not selling either. It needs to be good and cheap or better and the same price (reds, FX) to be successful. I am in no way attacking Atomic Engines. I just see it as another drop of water in an ocean.

My hammering comment wasn't directed at your posts. :sweat: My back-hand advertising comment was though. I'm not really going to get into the FX thing, as I don't want to piss too many people off.

Alex has done a solid job with Reds, and deserves all the successes they have. :)

Basically, the biggest thing an engine, car, radio, etc. needs to have is a following of fans. You can produce an average product at an average price, and still do very well, so long as you have a built following of fans.
Didn't the Arrow have like 3 or 4 different cases to fix the issue, I don't think they're trying to hide it? What I think you are missing, is that the ATOM engines are for a different customer. They are not being made by GO for whoever is behind Arrow. They're being made for Weiken (not related to Arrow at all).

It's the difference between a Lucky 7 and a Maxy's engine. They're both the same thing, but they are for different customers of Novarossi.

I have no iron in this fire. Just my observations.

Go had a great thing going when they had the 3-, 5-, and 7-port combos on offer with a pipe, spare rod, two plugs, etc... - all priced competitively.

I kind of think there is a market for a sub-$200 engine - maybe like $200 including a pipe. The RB Blasts were good for that, but that source seems to be drying up.. Argus is back, so that's good. Werks is still there with the B2 and B5. Nova with the P5 and Mugen Beat B5 I guess.. But I think Jazz is right, and for myself anyway, as much as I'd like an FX, I just don't pay that much for engines. As long as there are still good ones to be had for half the price.. Not as good as an FX, of course. But better than half as good..

One thing I as a customer don't like about the engine market at the moment is that particular brands are more and more only available from one source. That keeps the price good for the distributor I guess, but not the customer. I like being able to find what I want on ebay, and from more than just one shop or source.

I hope you are getting the speed version, cranks wear pretty fast on the Std. I have rebuilt a few and they all have a good amount of wear for the time they have on them.

Rex

So whats happening with the atom brand engine.. it being said that the difference is the bore and stroke.. they do look like a nice engine and do perform well.. but for a price of 200 it would be a great option for many.. and then theres opportunity for a tuned version of the engine.. filled crank , and weighted , dlc coated.. but yeah it doesnt leave much room for a new brand.. so for a 200 standard v1 and a tuned edition for say 265 inc a exhaust set.. id be happy to grab one..

France ATOM Driver Jean Philippe Azoulay wins the Promo class in Race 1 of the League With Two laps on the Second Driver

http://www.asiarc.info/forum.php?mod...&extra=&page=3

posted : 2014-6-5 17:18

got a email from one of the shops in france selling the engines.. and they do stock them and will restock in January 2015.. at the moment there is only 1 left instock..

http://www.actionmodelisme.com/produ...id_product=461

other than that as far as i understood there may be a new page up but at this point its a 2 man company.. for a reasonable price.. always fun to try an engine thats competitive..

The 2015 version of the VORTEX with some updates will be available in middle of january.

1 - the burn room has been modified to advance the ignition timing.
2 - the conrod has been changed completely with a different stroke length and a single copper bushing insert.
3 - the sleeve has been modified to change the intake and exhaust timing
to increase the high speed limit. The stroke of piston has been changed to
increase life expectancy and to increase the oil retention ability on the surface
of the sleeve and the micro-grooves are increased for an additional oil content.
4 - to maintain a higher degree of stability of the carburetor, the High Speed
Needle has been modified.
5 - the cooling head color has been slightly modified.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8617/...6f13279eba.jpg

How hard is it (relatively speaking) to break-in this engine? Is it really tight like the GO engines are?

thats a good question.. will the sleeve and piston tolerances be like the GO.. very tight or like Alpha..

The 2014 version was almost tight like GO but it seem the 2015 version will be less tight due the updates and the upgrade of the sleeve treatment.

That new head looks pretty sexy.

yeap sure does.. if they come out with a decent engine.. ill grab one.. and if its not tuned.. ie filled and balanced.. i may have some fun and send it to Massive mods (now Nitro addicts australia) he does great work on go engines.. )

I tested a 2014 engine when we were interested in distributing them last year. They're great engines that run very well with a nice power band, and they should be priced really really well.

NICE , the most important once quality control is sorted ive seen is image and marketing approach.. as we have that many brands.. you could say we have engines for the newbie , club racer , club racer/national competitor which over laps into international competitor as once your skill is up there then with the right set up clutch , venturi , glow plug , tune.. point being a good looking engine with a web page and personal contact from racers that rep and are genuine goes a long way.. hehe

look forward to this year.. :D