I bought one at the end of last year without header for like $24... But now I can't find a header...

I'm not Jeromerc but I do know a little about these engines If you are looking for a low cost pipe to run with one of our motors then just pick up an Associated 2035 pipe set. You should be able to get these in the mid to high $30 range. This is a great pipe to start off with and will give about 80% of the performance of our pipes. Start off with this and if you like everything and decide down the line that you want more power you can always pick up one of our pipes later.

In regards to pipe pricing unfortunately (or fortunately from a quality standpoint) our pipes are made in Italy and not in Asia. So quality is better but cost is also significantly higher. These things are not cheap for us to buy and with the exchange rate the way that it is (and has been the last year+) there is unfortunately not much that we can do to lower pricing. I think that if you compare our pricing to other Italian made pipe set (pipe+manifold) you will find that we are in line if not lower than theirs.

Some people have commented on the low cost nVision 2058 pipes which are out there. First I have to say that I'm not sure if they are the old style thin pipes or if they are even the same as our 2058 but one thing that you do need to understand is that they are cheap because the entire nVision engine line was discontinued by Horizon who was the US importer because it was not selling and they blew out all of their inventory way below cost to dump the stuff and clear it out. I believe one of the large shops picked up everything and that is why pricing on it is unusually low but once this stuff is gone expect that pricing to be gone too. Before this happened nVision pipe pricing was actually more expensive than ours!

As I mentioned in my post above the stuff is discontinued and that is the problem with buying "end of life" product. When you need parts, good luck finding them! One thing that may work is that our narrow header that A-main and Tower/Great Planes carries should fit. Hope that helps!

Yes I just started running the 2096, it is a bit soft on the bottom compared to the 2058 pipe. I would try to find a used 2058 pipe or a new one. As Ron said (Werks) you won't be able to find parts for the Nvision if you buy it, it is the same as the Werks pipe, at least performance, it might be thinner but the EFRA numbers are the same meaning they have both passed EFRA standards and you could race them at a ROAR or IFMAR event with no problems. As far as other pipes, you can pick up a Jamin Jp3 or Jp4 both pipes are pretty good here is a link on Ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ofna-10051-J...item3f1c728fc8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jammin-JP-3-...item5d3982159f

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OFNA-JAMMIN-...item43b2a8c2e1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFRA-2080-Ch...item3f00664f18

All of these pipes are good, I know people love the Jp3 and Jp4, I have the last OFNA 2080 it seems good on my 7 port Bonitto

2058 link

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Werks-Racing...item2c69db7bb7

2096 link

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novarossi-EF...item484743ec3c


Again any of the pipes above work great, but if you are going to get the B2 which as I said is a GREAT engine then I would get the 2058 or 2096 if you can spend the cash, mainly because even if you change engines these pipes will LAST. I still have a 2013 Orion pipe, and 2 2058 pipes, only thing that needs fixed is springs every once in a while and gaskets, the 2080 I have not tried on my B2 but I know the local hobby shop guy swears by it and that is why I bought it, and it is great on the bottom and on the top as it says, it is a good option and cheap, also EFRA legal for when you start racing. Best sounding pipe though is the 2058 if you are into sound. With the Werks or Fusion engines you will get GREAT customer service and NOT disappointed.

The reason I bought a Werks B2 is because I was like you looking for a cheap basher engine, I had just spent over $500 on a Cody King Orion engine that NEVER ran right and Orion NEVER replied to ANY of my emails. I had even offered to pay for shipping to send it to them to see what was wrong, even if it was NOT their fault I would have paid for them to fix it, but still NO REPLIES. I looked on the B2 thread and saw a person had a bad glow plug (NOT A BAD ENGINE) well the plug ruined the engine, this was not Ron's fault but he offered the customer parts at cost! Well I tried it, and finally the local hobby shop guy tried it and now we have Werks engines in Viet Nam With the Fusion line, Monty (Huston's engine service) is another guy that goes above and beyond what I feel is needed with good support. Both great guys, now that I got Werks engines in Viet Nam I am now going to try and get Fusion engines here as well. Will be racing all Fusion engines later this year. No more OS Speed, Orion or Novarossi, and I will be bashing and practicing with my Werks engines.

I got a Werks 2058 still in good shape, so do have that header.. Wish I'd gotten a Werks 2013 instead, then an Nvision Pro 2058.. Defo the stronger version too the Nvisions on sale..

save yourself all kinds of tuning and reliability aggravation......buy a WERKS mill(whichever fits your application) along with the appropriate WERKS pipe........you will be very happy in not only a long run but a short one, as well.........just look on a-mains site for prices...

To respond to some questions / comments...

-- I agree, I will not consider buying used unless it is someone I know well.....they do all sell with 1 to 2 gallons of use don't they? What are the odds? I am sure some are honest about it but in all probability, I suspect most are not.

-- If I have to compromise because of price I am focused on low to mid torque. Will run short course on 2 different tracks with both, not having a very long straight stretch.

-- If by EFRA standards a 2058 pipe is a 2058 pipe; than if buying one from "discontinued" nvision and later needing a replacement header, you could just buy a Werks header correct? The diameter of the pipe intake on a 2058 is the same on any 2058, right?

-- Werks, thanks for the detailed info, I like the B2, B5 and B6 because of the specs and details, specially having the lower head design. I am big on "lower center of gravity" and also the head is more protected in a multiple roll over event. (I believe only the B5 and B6 has the lower head design)
Could you (or anyone) educate me in the advantage/purpose in the number of ports the different your models have and/or long stroke vs short stroke? I have a background in mechanical engineering so you can get very technical if you like! Also,I read somewhere..."3+1 ports".....what is the 1?

Appreciate everyone taking the time to provide such awesome detailed information!!!!

Thanks for the info with the links, makes it so easy!!!!

Check out the new os xr .21 should be going for around the 150 mark

Definitely I check that out. I guess I can't go wrong with an OS if I can find a good combo in my budget.

I found on ebay a

"O.S. Max .21VG-P .21 1/8th Scale Slide Carb Nitro Engine OSM13640/OSMG2058"

for $169.99 wonder if is strong and reliable for my application.....and then...I need a pipe.

Where is the new os xr .21 available for $150?

I don't have a b2 but the plus 1 is the exhaust I think. Not positive. Nothing against os, I have a couple .12's, but with the support available from Ron,(werks), and the price, they are hard to beat. It's up to you, but I have 5 werks engines and have never had any issues with them. Support is worth a lot!!!

Never mind my question on the

"O.S. Max .21VG-P .21 1/8th Scale Slide Carb Nitro Engine OSM13640/OSMG2058"

I just read the specs and it outputs only around 2hp at 30,000rpm.

All these other engines we have been talking about are around 2.5hp and higher.

True, the support is important.

I don't think much about that but I should......Werks has pretty good support huh?

Which 5 Werks do you have?

a b6 pro, a b6, a b5, and 2 b7 pro's which are not made anymore but they are fun!!!
Very good support! he has a thread for each engine... Check em out...

Very nice.....how do you like that lowered head on the b5 and b6?

I guess I could pick up a b5 for 199 or a b6 for 229 by what I seen.

What pipe are you using with these 2?