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10-17-2014 | 12:39 PM
#8297
Ya I to call BS on neils post about the DNC you and I where both there and know what happened and as far has his motors go I was not happy at all. The bonito run OK but performance did not last long before it was flaming and would not tune at only a gallon on it. But hay it was all me. (via Neil see pm that he sent me) but hay that racing.
10-17-2014 | 01:16 PM
#8300
Ya I to call BS on neils post about the DNC you and I where both there and know what happened and as far has his motors go I was not happy at all. The bonito run OK but performance did not last long before it was flaming and would not tune at only a gallon on it. But hay it was all me. (via Neil see pm that he sent me) but hay that racing.
10-17-2014 | 02:26 PM
#8301
the sad part is that at one gallon that Bonito should just be dropping its nuts and just starting to come into its prime... IMO the only way a engine is going to start acting up and not running correctly that early in its life is if it has been damaged in some way..either it has sucked dirt, dropped a plug coil, chipped a bearing, scuffed a piston or some other form of mechanical damage. For a engine to go off the rails before its even thru its breakin is extremely abnormal, especially for a Novarossi which usually take more then a gallon to fully loosen up... Of course I know I did the initial breakin, but even still that engine would take another gallon to hit its prime.....
call it what you like but I was not happy have not said any thing in 2 years and would not have but for your own stupidy in this matter. (and that pm you sent me)
best of luck loving my STOCK O.S motors
10-17-2014 | 03:58 PM
#8302
LOL Im not new to this game the gallon was after breakin. I will run 1/2-3/4 a gallon before a race tune so it was peryou in its prime.
call it what you like but I was not happy have not said any thing in 2 years and would not have but for your own stupidy in this matter. (and that pm you sent me)
best of luck loving my STOCK O.S motors
call it what you like but I was not happy have not said any thing in 2 years and would not have but for your own stupidy in this matter. (and that pm you sent me)
best of luck loving my STOCK O.S motors
10-17-2014 | 05:09 PM
#8303
Do you know me? "That would be a big NO" Have you seen me tune a motor? "that would be a big NO" Do you know my back ground in racing."that would be a big NO" of any kind 1:1/drag cars/boats/bikes and road racing. I think not!
So you should just steep back and think. I never said it was you fault. all I said was I was not happy and called BS on your post and only after two years and only after you started it.
best of luck
10-18-2014 | 04:53 AM
#8304
And you know this how?
Do you know me? "That would be a big NO" Have you seen me tune a motor? "that would be a big NO" Do you know my back ground in racing."that would be a big NO" of any kind 1:1/drag cars/boats/bikes and road racing. I think not!
So you should just steep back and think. I never said it was you fault. all I said was I was not happy and called BS on your post and only after two years and only after you started it.
best of luck
Do you know me? "That would be a big NO" Have you seen me tune a motor? "that would be a big NO" Do you know my back ground in racing."that would be a big NO" of any kind 1:1/drag cars/boats/bikes and road racing. I think not!
So you should just steep back and think. I never said it was you fault. all I said was I was not happy and called BS on your post and only after two years and only after you started it.
best of luck
Last edited by Maximo; 10-18-2014 at 05:25 AM.
10-18-2014 | 05:58 AM
#8305
And you know this how?
Do you know me? "That would be a big NO" Have you seen me tune a motor? "that would be a big NO" Do you know my back ground in racing."that would be a big NO" of any kind 1:1/drag cars/boats/bikes and road racing. I think not!
So you should just steep back and think. I never said it was you fault. all I said was I was not happy and called BS on your post and only after two years and only after you started it.
best of luck
Do you know me? "That would be a big NO" Have you seen me tune a motor? "that would be a big NO" Do you know my back ground in racing."that would be a big NO" of any kind 1:1/drag cars/boats/bikes and road racing. I think not!
So you should just steep back and think. I never said it was you fault. all I said was I was not happy and called BS on your post and only after two years and only after you started it.
best of luck
Anyways because of these big differences in tuning procedure between the different engine brands I do find it best to modify the engines people are used to running and tuning.. Going from a stock Speed to a modified Speed is going to be far less of a change in procedure then going from a stock Speed to a modified Novarossi..And likewise, going from a stock Novaorssi to a modified Novarossi will be a far smaller procedure change then swapping from a stock Novarossi to a modified Speed....And to recap look how much turmoil OS changing their needle caused for everyone....
Last edited by Maximo; 10-18-2014 at 06:16 AM.
10-18-2014 | 01:02 PM
#8306
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Another thing to add is that there is a really big difference between how these different engine brands tune...Yours and Franks best success and most familiarity are with OS engines and there is no question in my mind that if we would have gotten you into a couple sets of modified Speeds instead of those Nova's we would not be having this conversation here today. Just consider how much turmoil there was over OS switching to the short needle carb ? that change alone caused thousands of racers all sorts of hell... Everyone could tune the old carb in their sleep, yet the new short needle for some was as difficult as cracking the Enigma code. And the reality is that there was nothing at all wrong with the short needle design, it actually is very easy to tune once you knew the procedure it needed.... Now jumping over to a modified Nova from a stock OS is going to require a much bigger change in tuning procedure then OS changing their needle required..OS and Nova tune very differently and offer very different tuning cues to work from...Biggest difference is that Nova's are very picky on idle speed, they tend to drop their idle speed once they fully heat saturate, and often times they take nearly 10 minutes of actual track time to fully saturate..so what happens most often is the idle speed gets set too early and when the engine fully heats up the idle becomes too low to be stable and the engine starts cutting out... Issue is with the proper hot idle gap the engine will sound lean and racy when you fire it up cold, and will sound lean and racy on the track for the first few laps till it gets some heat..... This big warmup phase and tune shift often tricks you into making needle changes that really aren't needed....OS do not do this, they act much differently and the idle speed does not move as much from cold to hot and if anything the idle speed will climb slightly with heat.... With a Nova I find it very important to check the idle stability after a qualifier when the engine is fully heat soaked... Basically after the qualifier have your pit guy put your car on pit lane and you let it idle without blipping the trigger.. Just let the car sit there and count how long it can sit and idle unaided by any trigger play. From your results here make the appropriate adjustments to idle speed..as if the engine wont idle now you cannot trust it to idle in the main........ And this is the classic issue we seen ... guys would have their engines tuned aces for the shorter qualifiers, but about when they get to their first refuel in the main they started having flameouts from a low idle speed... Basically the qualifier was too short to notice their idle was too low .... Anyways checking and setting the idle speed after a qualifier prevents all this ..
Anyways because of these big differences in tuning procedure between the different engine brands I do find it best to modify the engines people are used to running and tuning.. Going from a stock Speed to a modified Speed is going to be far less of a change in procedure then going from a stock Speed to a modified Novarossi..And likewise, going from a stock Novaorssi to a modified Novarossi will be a far smaller procedure change then swapping from a stock Novarossi to a modified Speed....And to recap look how much turmoil OS changing their needle caused for everyone....
Anyways because of these big differences in tuning procedure between the different engine brands I do find it best to modify the engines people are used to running and tuning.. Going from a stock Speed to a modified Speed is going to be far less of a change in procedure then going from a stock Speed to a modified Novarossi..And likewise, going from a stock Novaorssi to a modified Novarossi will be a far smaller procedure change then swapping from a stock Novarossi to a modified Speed....And to recap look how much turmoil OS changing their needle caused for everyone....
10-18-2014 | 02:04 PM
#8307
Another thing to add is that there is a really big difference between how these different engine brands tune...Yours and Franks best success and most familiarity are with OS engines and there is no question in my mind that if we would have gotten you into a couple sets of modified Speeds instead of those Nova's we would not be having this conversation here today. Just consider how much turmoil there was over OS switching to the short needle carb ? that change alone caused thousands of racers all sorts of hell... Everyone could tune the old carb in their sleep, yet the new short needle for some was as difficult as cracking the Enigma code. And the reality is that there was nothing at all wrong with the short needle design, it actually is very easy to tune once you knew the procedure it needed.... Now jumping over to a modified Nova from a stock OS is going to require a much bigger change in tuning procedure then OS changing their needle required..OS and Nova tune very differently and offer very different tuning cues to work from...Biggest difference is that Nova's are very picky on idle speed, they tend to drop their idle speed once they fully heat saturate, and often times they take nearly 10 minutes of actual track time to fully saturate..so what happens most often is the idle speed gets set too early and when the engine fully heats up the idle becomes too low to be stable and the engine starts cutting out... Issue is with the proper hot idle gap the engine will sound lean and racy when you fire it up cold, and will sound lean and racy on the track for the first few laps till it gets some heat..... This big warmup phase and tune shift often tricks you into making needle changes that really aren't needed....OS do not do this, they act much differently and the idle speed does not move as much from cold to hot and if anything the idle speed will climb slightly with heat.... With a Nova I find it very important to check the idle stability after a qualifier when the engine is fully heat soaked... Basically after the qualifier have your pit guy put your car on pit lane and you let it idle without blipping the trigger.. Just let the car sit there and count how long it can sit and idle unaided by any trigger play. From your results here make the appropriate adjustments to idle speed..as if the engine wont idle now you cannot trust it to idle in the main........ And this is the classic issue we seen ... guys would have their engines tuned aces for the shorter qualifiers, but about when they get to their first refuel in the main they started having flameouts from a low idle speed... Basically the qualifier was too short to notice their idle was too low .... Anyways checking and setting the idle speed after a qualifier prevents all this ..
Anyways because of these big differences in tuning procedure between the different engine brands I do find it best to modify the engines people are used to running and tuning.. Going from a stock Speed to a modified Speed is going to be far less of a change in procedure then going from a stock Speed to a modified Novarossi..And likewise, going from a stock Novaorssi to a modified Novarossi will be a far smaller procedure change then swapping from a stock Novarossi to a modified Speed....And to recap look how much turmoil OS changing their needle caused for everyone....
Anyways because of these big differences in tuning procedure between the different engine brands I do find it best to modify the engines people are used to running and tuning.. Going from a stock Speed to a modified Speed is going to be far less of a change in procedure then going from a stock Speed to a modified Novarossi..And likewise, going from a stock Novaorssi to a modified Novarossi will be a far smaller procedure change then swapping from a stock Novarossi to a modified Speed....And to recap look how much turmoil OS changing their needle caused for everyone....
10-18-2014 | 06:14 PM
#8308
This is so on the spot. This is what i see evry summer. Guys tuning to qualify, and forget the bigger picture. Espesially on Nova engines, Reds engines also goes down on idle until they are compleatly warm. people tends to forget that the biggest cooling this engine has is the chassisplate. It is easy to tell the engines that will flame out before the 20 minute finale is over.
Another thing to add is that there is a really big difference between how these different engine brands tune...Yours and Franks best success and most familiarity are with OS engines and there is no question in my mind that if we would have gotten you into a couple sets of modified Speeds instead of those Nova's we would not be having this conversation here today. Just consider how much turmoil there was over OS switching to the short needle carb ? that change alone caused thousands of racers all sorts of hell... Everyone could tune the old carb in their sleep, yet the new short needle for some was as difficult as cracking the Enigma code. And the reality is that there was nothing at all wrong with the short needle design, it actually is very easy to tune once you knew the procedure it needed.... Now jumping over to a modified Nova from a stock OS is going to require a much bigger change in tuning procedure then OS changing their needle required..OS and Nova tune very differently and offer very different tuning cues to work from...Biggest difference is that Nova's are very picky on idle speed, they tend to drop their idle speed once they fully heat saturate, and often times they take nearly 10 minutes of actual track time to fully saturate..so what happens most often is the idle speed gets set too early and when the engine fully heats up the idle becomes too low to be stable and the engine starts cutting out... Issue is with the proper hot idle gap the engine will sound lean and racy when you fire it up cold, and will sound lean and racy on the track for the first few laps till it gets some heat..... This big warmup phase and tune shift often tricks you into making needle changes that really aren't needed....OS do not do this, they act much differently and the idle speed does not move as much from cold to hot and if anything the idle speed will climb slightly with heat.... With a Nova I find it very important to check the idle stability after a qualifier when the engine is fully heat soaked... Basically after the qualifier have your pit guy put your car on pit lane and you let it idle without blipping the trigger.. Just let the car sit there and count how long it can sit and idle unaided by any trigger play. From your results here make the appropriate adjustments to idle speed..as if the engine wont idle now you cannot trust it to idle in the main........ And this is the classic issue we seen ... guys would have their engines tuned aces for the shorter qualifiers, but about when they get to their first refuel in the main they started having flameouts from a low idle speed... Basically the qualifier was too short to notice their idle was too low .... Anyways checking and setting the idle speed after a qualifier prevents all this ..
Anyways because of these big differences in tuning procedure between the different engine brands I do find it best to modify the engines people are used to running and tuning.. Going from a stock Speed to a modified Speed is going to be far less of a change in procedure then going from a stock Speed to a modified Novarossi..And likewise, going from a stock Novaorssi to a modified Novarossi will be a far smaller procedure change then swapping from a stock Novarossi to a modified Speed....And to recap look how much turmoil OS changing their needle caused for everyone....
Anyways because of these big differences in tuning procedure between the different engine brands I do find it best to modify the engines people are used to running and tuning.. Going from a stock Speed to a modified Speed is going to be far less of a change in procedure then going from a stock Speed to a modified Novarossi..And likewise, going from a stock Novaorssi to a modified Novarossi will be a far smaller procedure change then swapping from a stock Novarossi to a modified Speed....And to recap look how much turmoil OS changing their needle caused for everyone....
Truth is the Truth, well said Neil
10-19-2014 | 08:25 AM
#8309
Neal if you are going to keep smearing $hit I will continue with the countless racers that have spent their hard earned $$$ on your product. Following your escapade Friday it has been made clear via pm that many feel cheated by you (people that I don't even know). And your trusted source you spoke of well be honest Neal he isn't so trusted anymore as a result of exactly what I posted. Is he?
The bottom line is you are all talk. You don't show up at the big races. And you hang your hat on the racer can't tune. Since leaving your brand (if you can call it that) I have ran other engines and to use the words of one of your past customers that PM'ed me, I'll even quote "I had more flameouts in the 1.5 years that I ran clock engines than in my entire 13 years of racing 1/8 scale"
I can go on if you like.
The bottom line is you are all talk. You don't show up at the big races. And you hang your hat on the racer can't tune. Since leaving your brand (if you can call it that) I have ran other engines and to use the words of one of your past customers that PM'ed me, I'll even quote "I had more flameouts in the 1.5 years that I ran clock engines than in my entire 13 years of racing 1/8 scale"
I can go on if you like.
10-19-2014 | 10:51 AM
#8310
Neal if you are going to keep smearing $hit I will continue with the countless racers that have spent their hard earned $$$ on your product. Following your escapade Friday it has been made clear via pm that many feel cheated by you (people that I don't even know). And your trusted source you spoke of well be honest Neal he isn't so trusted anymore as a result of exactly what I posted. Is he?
The bottom line is you are all talk. You don't show up at the big races. And you hang your hat on the racer can't tune. Since leaving your brand (if you can call it that) I have ran other engines and to use the words of one of your past customers that PM'ed me, I'll even quote "I had more flameouts in the 1.5 years that I ran clock engines than in my entire 13 years of racing 1/8 scale"
I can go on if you like.
The bottom line is you are all talk. You don't show up at the big races. And you hang your hat on the racer can't tune. Since leaving your brand (if you can call it that) I have ran other engines and to use the words of one of your past customers that PM'ed me, I'll even quote "I had more flameouts in the 1.5 years that I ran clock engines than in my entire 13 years of racing 1/8 scale"
I can go on if you like.
two sides to the story
Last edited by Maximo; 10-19-2014 at 11:11 AM.