Originally Posted by J.Whiting (Post 9084532)

guys come on. cant we stay on topic for once.. name calling and flamming guys is not needed.. infraction nd editing will cme later as some of use have to work a real job.. back on topic abiout nova motors.. thank you

Originally Posted by PowerHouse (Post 9084244)

The first thing I see right away is the two cars. I remember the 8.5 and 9 when my buddy was sponsored by ofna and the 8.5 was a very heavy car. It took everything we had to get that car around the track in a timely fashion. The 9 was considerably lighter and responded better to less output engines so I would start there as the main difference. I am not saying it is the only difference but it is a major contributing factor. If you get bored and want to switch the engine in each car and run it to see how each car handles each engine, that would be ideal but I wouldn't sweat it.

I will break down the the engine first. The Toro Nero and Bonito share about 95% of their parts. The Bonito has the physical changes to the case which include the machining on the upper block to allow room for the lowered head, extra cross sutting holes for additional cooling as the head now covers more of the case and will have a higher heat retention, the back plate has the steel ring to slow conrod wear when it walks on the pin and brushes the case from time to time. The only timing difference which will have an effect is the transfers are 2* lower than the toro which means the transfers will open later and close sooner which should give the engine more low end torque but since the exhaust port timing was not altered, it also gives the engine more blowdown timing which will give it more peak rpm so the engine may have a more linear feel.

Another thing I noticed is the venturi size. You mentioned you have a 6.5 on the toro and an 8 on the bonito. Initial engine response is not only dictated by timing, compression ratio, pipe length and volume etc but also by how fast it can build a fuel signal. The smaller and more taper the inlet has, the quicker and stronger the fuel signal builds which will give the engine a quicker response and the larger and less tapered the inlet is, the slower and smoother it builds the vortex around the needle to draw in the mixture giving it a more linear PTO.

So all in all, you have 2 different cars with 2 similar engines but they have enough differences to give them different running characteristics and the two different vehicles and venturi inserts amplifies the differences. If you want to get a fair comparison, you should run both engines with both 6.5 and 8mm inserts in the same car to see the real differences between them. You don't have enough of a control subject to give yourself accurate results. There are probably some other subtle differences between them that will also vary the results but the ones I talked about would be the big ones.

Bottom line, if you like what each engine is doing for each car, that is all that should matter.

Originally Posted by NeedAJOB (Post 9092000)

NIB "Plus 4TTS Buggy engine (Novarossi)"

This new engine has been updated from the already
popular 21-4 Team Edition, incorporating their usual high standards
for quality and performance making this already good engine even
better. This engine has been updated with a new cooling head and
front/rear ceramic ball bearings.






$400, free shipping paypal and money orders accepted
email for pics: [email protected]

Originally Posted by houston (Post 9092036)

:confused: holy crap

Originally Posted by houston (Post 9092036)

:confused: holy crap

Originally Posted by NeedAJOB (Post 9094788)

quality cost! :nod:

NOVAROSSI not ofna force 26!

just sayin.....:D

Originally Posted by houston (Post 9095185)

My point was how cheap he was selling it for and the fact that this isn't the for sale thread


I am well aware of what these engines cost ;)

Originally Posted by NeedAJOB (Post 9096036)

I dont know him, should I be AFFRAID?:eek:

just selling a MOTOR, not tryin to get in a KEYBOARD fight!

But, it is what it is. (theirs always one!)

Originally Posted by NeedAJOB (Post 9096614)

Again, im selling a motor and thats it, all of your oral copulation that your giving this guy is none of my businees nor do I care.:lol:

I will not loose any sleep over not selling the motor or your useless comments.

again, theirs always one!




Hey, LIL-deppen beat it sucka!

starting trouble? just tryin to move a motor at a decent price, thats all and as always some "CHUMP" gotta put his .02 in.:sneaky:

Originally Posted by Chad Millikan (Post 9096769)

I come on here to learn about this hobby, not to read all your guys bickering and BS. PM each other if you want to keep taking shots at each other.

Originally Posted by PinoyCali (Post 9096961)

Hello All,

Im getting bonito this week I have 3004 pipe.

Is this good pipe/combo?

Thanks

Originally Posted by PinoyCali (Post 9096961)

Hello All,

Im getting bonito this week I have 3004 pipe.

Is this good pipe/combo?

Thanks

Originally Posted by GMS_Racing (Post 9097907)

im running a btt in my buggy..is everyone sticking with the 6.5mm restrictor??

Originally Posted by ben73 (Post 9122629)

I have a couple of 21-4 engines and they have both been supplied with 28026 buttons which i replace with turbo button 28002.

I just got a 21-4C and it has a 28002 button included as standard with a turbo glow plug C6TGC. And I also picked up a 21-4C Team engine and it has a 28028 which is listed standard button also however on the exploded view it comes with a turbo C6TGC glowplug. Can anyone shed any light on this?

anyone know why there are differences across the 21-4 range?

Originally Posted by PowerHouse (Post 9123595)

Mostly marketing would be my guess. How do you take the same product with complete interchangable internals and continueally raise the cost and maintain interest? By making suttle changes to make it sound new and state of the art when in reality it is the same old design with a new twist. It doesn't mean it doesn't work well because it sure as heck does. It just a way to keep people interested in a product without spending loads of money to continually redesign the entire engine model after model. It wouldn't be very business saavy to do that. Not in this industry when there are so many engines and so many people who jump around engine to engine. So they jazz up the older one a little, make it sound sweet and bam, new engine trend. As far as why your engines come with different buttons, the 28002 turbo is for the original head height and the 28028 that comes on the team is for the head that was lowered 3mm so they increase the head button thickness to keep the cooling head from interferring with the case fins. They did the same on the Toro Nero as well. Same internals with a lowered head and rear ceramic and you have the Team version which sparked a surge of sales because people wanted what they thought the pros had. It is good marketing on Novarossi's side. Minimal changes to keep production costs down while gaining maximum profits while still maintaining interest.

Originally Posted by houston (Post 9124158)

Wow , serious?
so the full cnc "team" piston is just a marketing ploy?


There is a little more to it than what is described above and many of the changes made to th novarossi engine line up are actually upgrades for the better ;)

While I do agree with mark to a certain extent, there is more to it than that :nod:

Originally Posted by am (Post 9125474)

Well, for me the new front BB in the + series of engines is by far the best front BB out there. I hve started using them instead of TKO bearings and original OS bearings.

As for the rest of the engine, i agree that for the guy on a budget, the 2010 team is the best bang for the buck out there today. The new BTT feels like it has more grunt out of the box. I have not messured that engine yet, so if they have changed some timing i am not shure of..

Originally Posted by am (Post 9125474)

Well, for me the new front BB in the + series of engines is by far the best front BB out there. I hve started using them instead of TKO bearings and original OS bearings.

As for the rest of the engine, i agree that for the guy on a budget, the 2010 team is the best bang for the buck out there today. The new BTT feels like it has more grunt out of the box. I have not messured that engine yet, so if they have changed some timing i am not shure of..

Originally Posted by PowerHouse (Post 9123595)

Mostly marketing would be my guess. How do you take the same product with complete interchangable internals and continueally raise the cost and maintain interest? By making suttle changes to make it sound new and state of the art when in reality it is the same old design with a new twist. It doesn't mean it doesn't work well because it sure as heck does. It just a way to keep people interested in a product without spending loads of money to continually redesign the entire engine model after model. It wouldn't be very business saavy to do that. Not in this industry when there are so many engines and so many people who jump around engine to engine. So they jazz up the older one a little, make it sound sweet and bam, new engine trend. As far as why your engines come with different buttons, the 28002 turbo is for the original head height and the 28028 that comes on the team is for the head that was lowered 3mm so they increase the head button thickness to keep the cooling head from interferring with the case fins. They did the same on the Toro Nero as well. Same internals with a lowered head and rear ceramic and you have the Team version which sparked a surge of sales because people wanted what they thought the pros had. It is good marketing on Novarossi's side. Minimal changes to keep production costs down while gaining maximum profits while still maintaining interest.

Originally Posted by ben73 (Post 9126289)

thanks - so what turbo button should be used on the team engine that came with the 28028?

Originally Posted by houston (Post 9126510)

The team head and the 28028 head button go together, you just can't use the team head with the 28002 , 28023 or 28026 combustion chambers


Hope this helps

Originally Posted by ben73 (Post 9129473)

so is the 28028 a turbo button for the Team engine?

with my plus 21-4 engines I install the 28002 turbo buttons and use the turbo plug.

Originally Posted by ben73 (Post 9129473)

so is the 28028 a turbo button for the Team engine?

with my plus 21-4 engines I install the 28002 turbo buttons and use the turbo plug.