mtveten

iTrader: (29)

Then I guess you should have made the trip over to the store with us when we called. Jose and I called 4-5 guys for motor clarifications Friday. Not only was Ruben the only official to call back but he did so promptly.

Mark

skypilot

iTrader: (14)

well then, that explains when the question came up on SUNDAY, JOSE had no response, other then, "why didn't you tell me yesterday"

mkdut

iTrader: (19)

So if the call was made on Friday, why was there a question about the black ringed Novak 17.5's on Sunday?

Anemic_SluG

iTrader: (23)

At the end of the day, the issue should have been why didn't we tech all weekend except the mains. It posed more issues than just a black ring v. yellow ring, it DQ'd a b main 1st place podium finish that leaves the other racers in a bad spot and makes the racer that was DQ'd not excited about his weekend or the race. So lesson learned for next year, tech all weekend to work out the issues or don't tech at all.

James

racing_jason

ok the HUNTS are back in it again this year
19t foam sedan and 12th
as for doug i dont really know he likes the idea of brushless though
looking forward to another fun season with everyone!

Drillit

Jacko..........I seen you lurkin'

13.5 for 12th........

At home, get a 12th, put a 17.5/13.5 in it.
Use IT to practice your layout.......grab your TC and
use it to TQ and Podium with!!!!!!

Mark
Lookin forward the a fun 08/09 season

Darren Shank

iTrader: (8)

Lots of feedback and I am glad everyone is excited about the NWIC this year.

We are close to nailing down the dates and like last year we will be getting started mid Oct. Track order should be the same, but we are trying to do something exciting for the finals and are still working on it.

Points-Once again we will be doing individual points and team points. Randy Sides will be handeling the points for the series.

Rubber tires-We will be using the Sorex 28 Speedmind tires. Speedmind will be supporting the series again this year and most of the racers have these tires already. Best thing is they work good.

Bodies: in foam class we will be adopting the GBS rules for this year. No change to rubber class rules. Per the ROAR guidelines.

All brushless motors must follow the ROAR rules. We will also be checking rotors to ensure they fall into the guidelines.

Classes:

Mod Foam Sedan-Lipo, Sub C, any motor. GBS body spec applies.
Super Stock Foam Sedan: 13.5, lipo, Sub-c, GBS body spec
Stock Foam Sedan: 17.5, ROAR Stock brushed Motor, lipo, Sub C,GBS body spec

1/12 Scale: 13.5, 4 cell Sub C, there isn't a lipo on the market yet for T-bar and non T bar cars. We will revist this prior to race #1 as a few products are being tested for a final determination.

Super Stock Rubber Sedan; 13.5, lipo, sub c, Speedmind Sorex 28.
Stock Rubber: 17.5, ROAR Stock brushed Motor, Lipo, Sub C, Speedmind Sorex 28.

Pro-10: 13.5, 4 Cell Sub C, Spec foam tire (coming soon), Pro -10 approved body.

We have decided to go with the motor rules that we have as ROAR for 2009 and most of the major carpet events will be following most of these guidelines.

Also Can't forget; Doug will be back to run all of races, so things will run smoothly.

We should have the schedule finalized in the next few weeks and will get it posted.

tomdav

iTrader: (44)

Are Novak the only approved brushless motors for the 13.5/17.5 classes? I might get back into some onroad racing this year and need to buy some motors.

Casey Belarde

iTrader: (10)

Here is a list of roar approved brushless motors

Roar Approved Brushless Motor List


Type Importer Manufacturer Name/Description mH* Approval Date
Modified Associated/Reedy LRP Brushless N.E.O. 1 gray can, black end caps, VTEC September 19, 2005
Modified Associated/Reedy LRP Vector X11 Brushless w/bonded or sintered rotor July 1, 2007
Modified Checkpoint/Hobbico Checkpoint/Hobbico 'ALL IN' TCPCXX (XX refers to wind) July 14, 2008
Modified Hacker Brushless USA Hacker E40 (any wind) February 25, 2008
Modified Losi Losi Losi Xcelorin LOSB9404 (10.5T) and LOSBxxxx May 14, 2008
Modified Novak Novak 3410SS 10.5 Pro February 5, 2008
Modified Novak Novak Velociti bare A1 can ends, purple bands September 19, 2005
Modified Novak Novak 1050 Teardown, bare A1 can ends, purple band March 28, 2005
Modified Orion Orion Vortex 2008 Race X.XT ORI28128 (4.0T), ORI28129 (4.5T) and other winds May 17, 2008
Modified Orion Orion Vortex Brushless 128XX w/sintered rotor (XX refers to wind) July 1, 2007
Modified Orion Orion Vortex 2008 Stock 10.5 P/N ORI28140 May 18, 2008
Modified Schumacher USA Speed Passion SP Competition 2.0 with 13.0 rotor P/N RA 13825 (w/o fan) May 14, 2008
Modified Schumacher USA Speed Passion SP Competition 2.0 with 12.0 rotor P/N RB 13845 (w/fan) May 14, 2008
Modified Schumacher USA Speed Passion SP Competition 2.0 with 12.5 rotor P/N 13835-ER1 (w/fan) May 14, 2008
Modified Schumacher USA Speed Passion SP Competition 2.0 with 12.0 rotor P/N RB13835-ER2 (w/fan) May 14, 2008
Modified Schumacher USA Speed Passion SP Competition 2.0 with 13.0 rotor P/N RB 13835 (w/fan) May 14, 2008
Modified Schumacher USA Speed Passion Speed Passion Competition Series 13835 (any wind) February 25, 2008
Modified Schumacher USA Speed Passion SP Competition 2.0 P/N 13825 & 13835 (all winds/rotors listed below) May 14, 2008
Modified Tekin Tekin Redline Type S P/N TT22XX (XX refers to wind) July 22, 2008
Modified Tekin Tekin Redline 10.5 Type S P/N TT2253 July 22, 2008
Modified Trinity Trinity TRI 10209 10.5 (green timing plate) February 27, 2008
Stock Associated LRP Vector X11 Stockspec 17.5T 38.5 February 15, 2008
Stock Hacker Brushless USA Hacker E40 - 17.5T 33.0 July 28, 2008
Stock Losi Losi Xcelorin 17.5 LOSAB9406 32.5 February 29, 2008
Stock Novak Novak 3417SS 17.5 Pro 36.5 February 15, 2008
Stock Schumacher USA Speed Passion SPF175 Ultra Sportsman Stock 34.5 May 8, 2008
Stock Tekin Tekin Reline 17.5T Type-S P/N 2251 33.0 July 24, 2008
Stock Trinity Trinity TRI 10210 17.5T (red timing plate) 34.0 May 20, 2008
Super Stock Hacker Brushless USA Hacker E40 - 13.5T 22.5 February 25, 2008
Super Stock Losi Losi Xcelorin 13.5 LOSAB9405 19.2 February 29, 2008
Super Stock LRP LRP Vector X11 Stockspec 13.5T 22.5 February 27, 2008
Super Stock Novak Novak 3413SS 13.5 Pro 21.0 February 15, 2008
Super Stock Orion Orion Vortex 2008 Stock 13.5 P/N ORI28141 - Rotor without fan 19.5 June 6, 2008
Super Stock Schumacher USA Speed Passion SPF135 Ultra Sportsman Stock 21.7 May 8, 2008
Super Stock Tekin Tekin Redline 13.5 Type S P/N TT2252 19.0 July 22, 2008
Super Stock Trinity Trinity TRI 10210 13.5T (blue timing plate) 20.5 May 20, 2008

*NOTE: The minimum inductance spec figures in microHenries for each Stock or Super Stock motor have been listed for each motor manufacturer. These values directly correspond to the inspected number of turns on each slot of the particular stator design for that manufacturer. These values are provided for fast, accurate and simple field tech inspections, and do not reflect any performance differences between motor manufacturers.




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skypilot

iTrader: (14)

warning, some motors come with and without colored rings under the same part number, if you allow the black ring motors to compete, theres nothing stopping a guy from running a 13.5 in the 17.5 class, or a 10.5 in the 13.5 class and don't say thats cheating and no one would that, as previously posted people cheated on the tires they used.

tomdav

iTrader: (44)

Doh....... I just found the "approval tab" at the Roar websight.

Thanks for the post.

skypilot

iTrader: (14)

for brian


http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ss-motors.html

RedRocketRacing

iTrader: (8)

If somebody cheated name a name throw them under the bus.

Why at this level is it necassary to make this even a discussion. Is there no trust left in RC? This is a club level series where we are suppose to be having fun first. (That is why I show up hung over atleast once a weekend.)

RedRocket

Slapmaster6000

iTrader: (16)

The whole brushless motor thing appears to be going through some serious teething pains right now. It would seem that the difference between Roar legal and not is simply the color of a ring and has nothing to do with the rest of the motor. I know a lot of racers. I don't know any of them trying to cheat. I wish the cheat word would just be dropped from this topic. There does seem to be some mistrust and that needs to go away too. The part that discourages me right now is that I went looking for Roar approved motor, bought one, used it in racing only to find out that it was indeed not legal only because it did not have a currently approved colored ring. That is frustrating. I will ask the manufacture to replace it so that I can continue to represent their products. I am not saying that my name is golden and that I need to have manufactures bending over backwards for me.... but I would like to have a little respect after I have purchased so much of their equipment. It will be interesting to hear their response. It may open a door they can not afford to open, but then who knows. Even if they have some kind of trade in policy for a very minor processing fee would be an acceptable option.

skypilot

iTrader: (14)

i didn't start the cheating talk