Roelof

The steer has no on/off function, it is fully controlable. I do set my angle to the max mechanical limits with the range settings on the transmitter keeping the D/R at 100%, when needed on the track I sometimes lower the D/R range.

There are more ways to get a same result. Like with electric 1/10 touring a lot is done with the Ackermann to get the steer right while we do the most with the caster and some start with changing the anti roll bar or a different spring.

Roelof

Some F1 humor from last week regarding the subject

Rich Browne

Interesting discussion. Yep, we were at Timez... "The Backyard". Scott was, as usual, fast. The track is challenging: Elevation changes, off camber turns, big sweeping on camber turns - just plain exciting and very challenging. First time at the track with the VS powered Capricorn. We had very limited track time due to the large entry field and controlled practice - lots of decisions had to be made on how to get the car fast. Well, Scott qualified 3rd and we were relatively happy with that - unfortunately during the main our rear pulley came loose (Paolo M said I need to change my protein powder) and put Scott in the pit for a lifetime while I tightened the pesky setscrew. Our positive take away was Scott's 15 average fast laps (during the main) were within one tenth of Joaquin Jr and JJ's 15 average fast laps - so, the car and driver were on the mark.

Roelof and Jonathan are spot on about the solid diff and how "lifting" the inside rear tire creates the proper 1/8th scale car rotation. The "lift" doesn't have to be visible, but, it is a huge percentage of correct car setup. It's an easy concept once you see the visual explanation. These cars drift - to go fast you have to create a controlled drift. Here's a little mental cheat list in order of importance for correctly managed "slip": tire durometer, track width, sway bar, spring rate, body, then static camber. Then the Fine tuning steps: shock oil, roll center (which I always think of as camber gain), Ackerman, caster. As the setup gets really close I adjust the camber for effect along with minor toe changes. Watch this very cool video from this weekend. Titled: Controlled drift! Slow motion reveal. Action from "The BackYard"

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Empire-R...=page_internal

I'm sure others have car setup viewpoints that work for them - this just works for my feeble little mind.

Jonathan

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An amazing photo depicting our a phenomenal machine entering a corner. Thanks for sharing it.

Jonathan

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Cool videos! Thanks. Did u have to run more camber than normal to account for the off camber turns? What track width did u guys run? Thanks

Rich Browne

Quite a bit more static camber than normal - plus, Scott typically likes the upper pins in and down - a lot more camber gain than most people prefer. As far as the track surface - "The Backyard" used VP Track Bite and have sealed the track with a sealer that has very little "grit"(damn good seal). Tire wear was fairly low and traction was above average. Car front track is as narrow as possible with minimal scrub sets. I'll measure it this weekend when I do the tear down.

ralphierace13

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hey mike It was different tracks, also I don't save pics either its called the internet its this thing u go on your computer and u can see a ton of info including looking up old race results, also did I say in any of my post that I have final word? I said 10 times this is the way I like my car and to give it a try if they wanted to. if u read the other posts they make it sound like the car has to do that and that's it so I am just showing u there are other ways to try something. and I say it again of course there is a degree of unloading but my point is the less it unloads the better in my point of view .. again this is no argument ill say it for the 100th'ed time try it u might like it

ralphierace13

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rich I'm more interested in the bbq he has for everyone at the track!!! can u tell us how the food was !!!! lol

Roelof

Some weeks ago I also made a slowmo vid

https://youtu.be/1CO5AeM7pRY

ralphierace13

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seen also the other video u have with the break in machines u have such cool toys!!! can I come over and hang out with u!!!!

Roelof

No problem

rick oxley

thanks rich you used the magic words controlled drift this is what i was trying
to achive when i started this thread been new to 1/8 onroad this is were iam at
i can control the start of the drift mainly with clutch setings but when the clutch is fully out the power starts to get to much and i have to back out of
the throttle so the car does not spin so i end up bliping the throttle and geting
understeer/oversteer any other class and my fix would be easy as going lighter
on the rear diff oil. any advice would be great

thanks rick...

rick oxley

forgot to ask whats tire durometer,never heard of this

Rich Browne

Where are you running the car?

1/8th scale, like all classes of cars, have unique needs. The major difference in 1/8th is the monster power and how effectively you can get that power to the ground. You have to learn how to balance the power to the handling - you can't mask the application of power with an improper chassis setup. I am happy to try to help, but, a knowledgeable and willing track coach is your best bet.

Rich Browne

durometer: THE MEASURE OF THE HARDNESS OF RUBBER COMPOUNDS. You buy your tires using the Shore A durometer type. The choice of tire durometer is the most critical decision in the setup of your car.