Serpent 710
01-07-2005, 12:55 AM
Tech Addict
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tires
Originally posted by InitialD
Pyramid is suggesting you to run slightly bigger rear tires than front to compensate for the faster rear tire wear. But that would sometimes give you an oversteer car on power because of the rear wheels pushing the front on power.
To circumvent this, there is another way described below which is what Pyramid and Goldfinger is currently using which is to use 46T Serpent 705 rear diff pulley (stock 710 is 45T). This would give you some front overdrive (front tire rollout more than rear tire rollout). To get back the same front and rear tire rollout, you use about 2 to 3 mm smaller front tires (or 2 or 3 mm bigger rear tires) to get the same front and rear tire rollout. This is exactly what is done on the 1/8th scale.
By doing this, your rear tires will somehow wear about the same rate as the front (always about 2 or 3 mm difference in diameter most of the time) so that you can get the car to handle the same in a long main.
Pyramid is suggesting you to run slightly bigger rear tires than front to compensate for the faster rear tire wear. But that would sometimes give you an oversteer car on power because of the rear wheels pushing the front on power.
To circumvent this, there is another way described below which is what Pyramid and Goldfinger is currently using which is to use 46T Serpent 705 rear diff pulley (stock 710 is 45T). This would give you some front overdrive (front tire rollout more than rear tire rollout). To get back the same front and rear tire rollout, you use about 2 to 3 mm smaller front tires (or 2 or 3 mm bigger rear tires) to get the same front and rear tire rollout. This is exactly what is done on the 1/8th scale.
By doing this, your rear tires will somehow wear about the same rate as the front (always about 2 or 3 mm difference in diameter most of the time) so that you can get the car to handle the same in a long main.
01-07-2005, 01:17 AM
Re: Re: Re: Tires
Originally posted by Brett.w
Is this a good or bad thing?
Is this a good or bad thing?
The same rate of wear between front and rear is a must if you want your car to handle the same from beggining to end. And most of the time you would have to find other thing to adjust to compensate what you are trying to do to have same wear so that the car handle as you wanted.
D, the Serpent Nitro Tour would run in clockwise direction in case you are not aware of, but I doubt it
01-07-2005, 03:15 PM
Tech Apprentice
Originally posted by Profoxcg
Well this is what I got different from my fist kit that I bought dec 2003
Purple hose,
black fly wheel,
stronger bumper top plate, (I was a bevel and I think the original did not) and bottom
Im not sure about the shock tower, but it seems a little ticker compare to the deck.
anyway, the tools arent a big deal, and I think they got "stolen" from my kit.
and Im not worried about the extra pistons.
Well this is what I got different from my fist kit that I bought dec 2003
Purple hose,
black fly wheel,
stronger bumper top plate, (I was a bevel and I think the original did not) and bottom
Im not sure about the shock tower, but it seems a little ticker compare to the deck.
anyway, the tools arent a big deal, and I think they got "stolen" from my kit.
and Im not worried about the extra pistons.
01-07-2005, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Fernando_M
Fuel tank filter is made of brass in newer kits.
Fuel tank filter is made of brass in newer kits.
01-07-2005, 03:36 PM
Tech Master
iTrader: (2)
I called serpent
I was told that only the front bumper is updated in the kit !
everything else are options, and the "tool" and ackerman are an optional bag that you purchase.
everything else are options, and the "tool" and ackerman are an optional bag that you purchase.
01-07-2005, 06:04 PM
Re: I called serpent
Originally posted by Profoxcg
I was told that only the front bumper is updated in the kit !
everything else are options, and the "tool" and ackerman are an optional bag that you purchase.
I was told that only the front bumper is updated in the kit !
everything else are options, and the "tool" and ackerman are an optional bag that you purchase.
Look here, I was quite taken aback to find that so much more is included and/or has changed.
01-07-2005, 06:11 PM
Tech Fanatic
Just Info
Comparing the very first kit I built 13.5 months (
) ago with my 3 days ago kit, here is the different :
1. Stronger upper and lower bumper plate
2. Black coated flywheel
3. Thicker CF rear tower
4. Brown coated 1st pinion (17t sometimes 16t)
5. Stone type filter inside tanks
6. Purple silicone hose
7. Longer (about 2mm) rear lower wishbone
8. Extra tool /parts in separate bag :
- fixed and adjustable (4 hole) shock piston
- centax and neeple tool
- 2nd gear housing release tool
- 1mm roll center spacer
9. longer belt-tensioner-shaft, with .2 notch addition
At least thats all i can remember but I believe since the 3rd batch, serpent is upgrading their moulding. Especially on knuckle and upright part where we used to having difficulties to screw in the adjusting nut M10 and now the problem is gone.
) ago with my 3 days ago kit, here is the different :1. Stronger upper and lower bumper plate
2. Black coated flywheel
3. Thicker CF rear tower
4. Brown coated 1st pinion (17t sometimes 16t)
5. Stone type filter inside tanks
6. Purple silicone hose
7. Longer (about 2mm) rear lower wishbone
8. Extra tool /parts in separate bag :
- fixed and adjustable (4 hole) shock piston
- centax and neeple tool
- 2nd gear housing release tool
- 1mm roll center spacer
9. longer belt-tensioner-shaft, with .2 notch addition
At least thats all i can remember but I believe since the 3rd batch, serpent is upgrading their moulding. Especially on knuckle and upright part where we used to having difficulties to screw in the adjusting nut M10 and now the problem is gone.
01-07-2005, 08:48 PM
Refference to all attending racers for Serpent Nitro Challenge 2005,
1/10 CLASS REGULATION
Body Rules
• Only PROTOFORM and PRO-LINE Touring Car 200mm. body shell allowed.
• Bodies are not to be cut above the lower bumper line at the front or the back or above the bottom line of the doors.
• Only the following air holes and sizes are permitted in the bodyshells:
One (1) cooling hole may be cut in the front windscreen only with a maximum dimension in any direction of 80.00mm.
On the roof Two holes may be cut. One 15.00mm maximum diameter hole in the roof for glow plug access. The other hole for refueling purpose no larger than 50.00mm. in any direction.
Both side windows and the rear window can be removed for ventilation.
Small holes can be made for the exhaust pipe, transponder and radio antenna.
Engine Rule
• Engine capacity is to be maximum .15 (2.5cc) only.
• Only small block .15 is allowed.
Chassis Rule
• Only Serpent Impulse, Impulse pro, 705 and 710 are allowed.
Car Inspection
• During qualify session, all cars are subjected to inspection by race organizer, after each heat. Penalty for rules violation is disqualification of heat result.
• During Final heat, inspection can also be applied. Penalty for RULE violation is DNF (do not finish) of Final result.
1/10 CLASS REGULATION
Body Rules
• Only PROTOFORM and PRO-LINE Touring Car 200mm. body shell allowed.
• Bodies are not to be cut above the lower bumper line at the front or the back or above the bottom line of the doors.
• Only the following air holes and sizes are permitted in the bodyshells:
One (1) cooling hole may be cut in the front windscreen only with a maximum dimension in any direction of 80.00mm.
On the roof Two holes may be cut. One 15.00mm maximum diameter hole in the roof for glow plug access. The other hole for refueling purpose no larger than 50.00mm. in any direction.
Both side windows and the rear window can be removed for ventilation.
Small holes can be made for the exhaust pipe, transponder and radio antenna.
Engine Rule
• Engine capacity is to be maximum .15 (2.5cc) only.
• Only small block .15 is allowed.
Chassis Rule
• Only Serpent Impulse, Impulse pro, 705 and 710 are allowed.
Car Inspection
• During qualify session, all cars are subjected to inspection by race organizer, after each heat. Penalty for rules violation is disqualification of heat result.
• During Final heat, inspection can also be applied. Penalty for RULE violation is DNF (do not finish) of Final result.
01-08-2005, 06:04 AM
Re: Just Info
Originally posted by GoldFinger
Comparing the very first kit I built 13.5 months ( ) ago with my 3 days ago kit, here is the different :
1. Stronger upper and lower bumper plate
2. Black coated flywheel
3. Thicker CF rear tower
4. Brown coated 1st pinion (17t sometimes 16t)
5. Stone type filter inside tanks
6. Purple silicone hose
7. Longer (about 2mm) rear lower wishbone
8. Extra tool /parts in separate bag :
- fixed and adjustable (4 hole) shock piston
- centax and neeple tool
- 2nd gear housing release tool
- 1mm roll center spacer
9. longer belt-tensioner-shaft, with .2 notch addition
At least thats all i can remember but I believe since the 3rd batch, serpent is upgrading their moulding. Especially on knuckle and upright part where we used to having difficulties to screw in the adjusting nut M10 and now the problem is gone.
Comparing the very first kit I built 13.5 months (
) ago with my 3 days ago kit, here is the different :1. Stronger upper and lower bumper plate
2. Black coated flywheel
3. Thicker CF rear tower
4. Brown coated 1st pinion (17t sometimes 16t)
5. Stone type filter inside tanks
6. Purple silicone hose
7. Longer (about 2mm) rear lower wishbone
8. Extra tool /parts in separate bag :
- fixed and adjustable (4 hole) shock piston
- centax and neeple tool
- 2nd gear housing release tool
- 1mm roll center spacer
9. longer belt-tensioner-shaft, with .2 notch addition
At least thats all i can remember but I believe since the 3rd batch, serpent is upgrading their moulding. Especially on knuckle and upright part where we used to having difficulties to screw in the adjusting nut M10 and now the problem is gone.
01-08-2005, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by Pyramid
Refference to all attending racers for Serpent Nitro Challenge 2005,
1/10 CLASS REGULATION
Body Rules
• Only PROTOFORM and PRO-LINE Touring Car 200mm. body shell allowed.
• Bodies are not to be cut above the lower bumper line at the front or the back or above the bottom line of the doors.
• Only the following air holes and sizes are permitted in the bodyshells:
One (1) cooling hole may be cut in the front windscreen only with a maximum dimension in any direction of 80.00mm.
On the roof Two holes may be cut. One 15.00mm maximum diameter hole in the roof for glow plug access. The other hole for refueling purpose no larger than 50.00mm. in any direction.
Both side windows and the rear window can be removed for ventilation.
Small holes can be made for the exhaust pipe, transponder and radio antenna.
Engine Rule
• Engine capacity is to be maximum .15 (2.5cc) only.
• Only small block .15 is allowed.
Chassis Rule
• Only Serpent Impulse, Impulse pro, 705 and 710 are allowed.
Car Inspection
• During qualify session, all cars are subjected to inspection by race organizer, after each heat. Penalty for rules violation is disqualification of heat result.
• During Final heat, inspection can also be applied. Penalty for RULE violation is DNF (do not finish) of Final result.
Refference to all attending racers for Serpent Nitro Challenge 2005,
1/10 CLASS REGULATION
Body Rules
• Only PROTOFORM and PRO-LINE Touring Car 200mm. body shell allowed.
• Bodies are not to be cut above the lower bumper line at the front or the back or above the bottom line of the doors.
• Only the following air holes and sizes are permitted in the bodyshells:
One (1) cooling hole may be cut in the front windscreen only with a maximum dimension in any direction of 80.00mm.
On the roof Two holes may be cut. One 15.00mm maximum diameter hole in the roof for glow plug access. The other hole for refueling purpose no larger than 50.00mm. in any direction.
Both side windows and the rear window can be removed for ventilation.
Small holes can be made for the exhaust pipe, transponder and radio antenna.
Engine Rule
• Engine capacity is to be maximum .15 (2.5cc) only.
• Only small block .15 is allowed.
Chassis Rule
• Only Serpent Impulse, Impulse pro, 705 and 710 are allowed.
Car Inspection
• During qualify session, all cars are subjected to inspection by race organizer, after each heat. Penalty for rules violation is disqualification of heat result.
• During Final heat, inspection can also be applied. Penalty for RULE violation is DNF (do not finish) of Final result.
Really wishing I could be there ...
01-08-2005, 06:49 AM
Re: Re: Just Info
Originally posted by spawn
any idea how to know if the kit is the new batch? serial number? seems like its a fantastic deal now
any idea how to know if the kit is the new batch? serial number? seems like its a fantastic deal now
01-08-2005, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by Sow&Steady
Really wishing I could be there ...
Really wishing I could be there ...
01-08-2005, 06:52 AM
Re: Just Info
Originally posted by GoldFinger
Comparing the very first kit I built 13.5 months ( ) ago with my 3 days ago kit, here is the different :
Comparing the very first kit I built 13.5 months (
) ago with my 3 days ago kit, here is the different :
How are we going to go against you when you have a brand new 710 and a brand new .15 engine? BTW, good summary Bro.
Originally posted by GoldFinger
6. Purple silicone hose
6. Purple silicone hose
Originally posted by GoldFinger
9. longer belt-tensioner-shaft, with .2 notch addition
9. longer belt-tensioner-shaft, with .2 notch addition
Originally posted by GoldFinger
Especially on knuckle and upright part where we used to having difficulties to screw in the adjusting nut M10 and now the problem is gone.
Especially on knuckle and upright part where we used to having difficulties to screw in the adjusting nut M10 and now the problem is gone.
When are you guys arriving in Bangkok?
01-08-2005, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by InitialD
Make it happen Onkel Sow.
Make it happen Onkel Sow.
01-08-2005, 07:48 AM
Book me a place for next year D - I feel the world tour coming on