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Old 08-22-2011, 02:26 PM   #676
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Just when I thought you were a player, your on here flee marketing over some belts LMAO!
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:09 PM   #677
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there you go !


Option Parts P/N Description MTX5 Only

T2001 MTX5 1/10 Touring Car Kit X
T1001 Instruction Manual: MTX5 X
T1002 Decal Sheet: MTX5 X
X T1003 Metallic Decal Sheet: MTX5 X
T2101 Front Alum Bulkhead (1pc): MTX5 X
T2102 Rear Alum Bulkhead (1pc): MTX5 X
T2103L Rear Alum Upper Bulkhead L (1pc): MTX5 X
T2103R Rear Alum Upper Bulkhead R (1pc): MTX5 X
T2104 Middle Shaft Bracket Alum (1pc): MTX5 X
T2105 Rear Alum Lower Arm Mount A: MTX5 X
T2106 Rear Alum Lower Arm Mount B: MTX5 X
T2107L Alum 2-Speed Shaft Bracket L: MTX5 X
T2107R Alum 2-Speed Shaft Bracket R: MTX5 X
T2108 Front Lower Arm Holder (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2109 Front Upright Upper Plate A (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2110 Front Graphite Upright Arm (1pc): MTX5 X
T2111 Rear Graphite Upper Arm Mount Plate: MTX5 X
T2112 Front Anti-Roll Bar 2.4mm: MTX5 X
T2113 Rear Anti-Roll Bar 2.4mm: MTX5 X
T2114 Anti-Roll Bar Stopper (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2115 Anti-Roll Bar Ball Link (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2116 Anti-Roll Bar Pivot Ball (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2117 Anti-Roll Bar Adjusting Nut (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2118 Front Lower Suspension Arm L/R: MTX5 X
T2119 Rear Lower Suspension Arm L/R: MTX5 X
T2120 Front Upper Arm Set: MTX5 X
T2121 Front Upright (1pc): MTX5 X
T2122 Rear Upright (1pc): MTX5 X
T2124 Front Lower Arm Mount Bushings/Shims: MTX5 X
T2125 Front Lower Suspension Shaft (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2126 Front Upper Suspension Shaft (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2127 Rear Lower Suspension Shaft (2pcs): MTX5 X
X T2128 Front Graphite Upright Disc Set (2pcs): MTX5 X
X T2129 Rear Graphite Upright Disc Set (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2130 Alum Wheel Hubs (2pcs): MTX5 X
X T2131 Front Upright Upper Plate B (2pcs): MTX5 X
X T2132 Front Upright Upper Plate C (2pcs): MTX5 X
X T2133 Front Anti-Roll Bar 2.2mm: MTX5 X
X T2134 Front Anti-Roll Bar 2.3mm: MTX5 X
X T2135 Front Anti-Roll Bar 2.5mm: MTX5 X
X T2136 Rear Anti-Roll Bar 2.2mm: MTX5 X


Option Parts P/N Description MTX5 Only

X T2137 Rear Anti-Roll Bar 2.3mm: MTX5 X
X T2138 Rear Anti-Roll Bar 2.5mm: MTX5 X
T2201 Diff Case and Diff Pulley Set: MTX5 X
T2202 Pulley Set: MTX5 X
T2203 Internal Diff Gears (2 small/2 big): MTX5 X
T2204 Diff Case Gasket (4pcs): MTX5 X
T2205 Diff Cross Pins (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2206 F/R Diff Cup Outdrive (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2207 Middle Pulley Shaft: MTX5 X
T2208 2-Speed Shaft: MTX5 X
T2209 Pulley Adapter Hub for 20T: MTX5 X
T2210 Belt Tensioner Graphite Plate: MTX5 X
T2211 2-Speed Adapter: MTX5 X
T2212 2-Speed Clutch Shoe: MTX5 X
T2213 1st Gear Housing: MTX5 X
T2214 2nd Gear Housing: MTX5 X
T2215 Brake Disc Adapter: MTX5 X
X T2216 1st Gear 52T Spur: MTX5 X
T2217 1st Gear 53T Spur: MTX5 X
X T2218 1st Gear 54T Spur: MTX5 X
X T2219 2nd Gear 47T Spur: MTX5 X
T2220 2nd Gear 48T Spur: MTX5 X
X T2221 2nd Gear 49T Spur: MTX5 X
T2222 F/R Universal Joint Set (1pr): MTX5 X
T2223 F/R Axle Shaft (2pcs): MTX5 X
T2224 Spring Set for 2-Speed: MTX5 X
T2225 Joint Pin Set 2x11.8 (10pcs): MTX5 X
T2226 Diff Gear Washer Set (OW3.5x7.5 x 2pcs) (OW5x15 x 2pcs): MTX5 X
T2301 Graphite Radio Tray: MTX5 X
T2302 Servo Savor Shaft: MTX5 X
T2303 Servo Saver Arm Set: MTX5 X
T2304 Servo Saver Spring: MTX5 X
T2305 Brake Piston Pin: MTX5 X
T2306 Servo Saver Mount/Front Body Mount: MTX5 X
T2307 Servo Saver Post for Upper Mount: MTX5 X
T2308 Radio Box: MTX5 X
T2309 Brake Pad Shaft: MTX5 X
T2401 Chassis: MTX5 X
T2402 Front Bumper and Body Mounts: MTX5 X
T2403 Sliding Weight Parts: MTX5 X
T2404 Foam Front Bumper: MTX5 X
T2501 Front Graphite Damper Stay: MTX5 X


Option Parts P/N Description MTX5 Only

T2502 Rear Graphite Damper Stay: MTX5 X
T2701 Alum Motor Mounts: MTX5 X
T2702 Flywheel: MTX5 X
T2703 Centrifugal Clutch Shoe Weights (3pcs): MTX5 X
T2704 Pressure Plate for Clutch: MTX5 X
T2705 Clutch Shoe: MTX5 X
T2706 Clutch Bell: MTX5 X
T2707 Thrust Bearing Stopper for Clutch: MTX5 X
X T2708 1st Gear Pinion 14T: MTX5 X
T2709 1st Gear Pinion 15T: MTX5 X
X T2710 2nd Gear Pinion 19T: MTX5 X
T2711 2nd Gear Pinion 20T: MTX5 X
X T2712 2nd Gear Pinion 21T: MTX5 X
T2713 Taper Cone: MTX5 X
T2714 Clutch Set: MTX5 X
T2801 Fuel Tank: MTX5 X
H2115 Rear Graphite Lower Damper Stay (1pc): MRX5, MTX5
H2305 Brake Pad (2pcs): MRX5, MTX5
H2308 Brake Disc: MTX5, MTX5
H2703 Clutch Spring Cup: MRX5, MTX5
H2704 Alum Clutch Spring Adj. Nut: MRX5, MTX5
H2802 Fuel Tank Mount: MRX5, MTX5
H2804B Throttle Linkage Parts: MTX5 X
D0105R King Pin Pillar Ball (2pcs): MTX5
H0144 King Pin Ball Cup: MTX5
H0145 Adjust Nut For Front Upright (2pcs)
H0180 Rear Upright Ball (2pcs)
X H0181A 3mm Roll Center Spacer (.5mm Thick) (10pcs)
H0181B 3mm Roll Center Spacer (1mm Thick) (10pcs)
H0181C 3mm Roll Center Spacer (2mm Thich) (10pcs)
X H0181D 3mm Roll Cente Spacer (3mm Thick) (10pcs)
X H0187 Titanuim King Pin Ball (2pcs)
X H0187/2 Titanuim King Pin Ball (6pcs)
T0214 Joint Shaft for Universal (2pcs)
T0215 2 x 9.8 Universal Pin (8pcs)
T0243 S3 O-Ring (10pcs)
T0247 Front Drive Shaft for Universal (2pcs)
E0257 S5 Silicone O-Ring (10pcs)
T0265 Front Belt (Urethan)
T0266 Rear Belt (Urethan)
T0267 Side Belt (Urethan)
X T0268 Front Belt (Rubber)


Option Parts P/N Description MTX5 Only

X T0269 Rear Belt (Rubber)
X T0270 Side Belt (Rubber)
H0293 Belt Tensioner Shaft
E0322 Radio Box Grommet (1pc)
H0368 Small Rubber Grommet (10pcs)
D0506 Damper Shaft (2pcs)
D0508 Diaphragm (8pcs)
D0509 Damper O-Ring Set
H0510 Damper Pistons (4pcs)
H0513 Spring Adjusting Collar w/O-Ring (2pcs)
X H0523 Front Spring 1.6 (Purple)
H0524 Front Spring 1.7 (Light Blue)
X H0525 Front Spring 1.8 (Gray)
X H0527 Rear Spring 1.6 (Purple)
H0528 Rear Spring 1.7 (Light Blue)
X H0529 Rear Spring 1.8 (Gray)
X H0533 Front Spring 1.8 (Blue)
X H0534 Rear Spring 1.8 (Blue)
H0554 Damper Cap (2pcs)
X H0558 1.2mm Damper Piston (2pcs)
X H0559 1.3mm Damper Piston (2pcs)
H0562 Damper Case (2pcs)
H0563 Oil Seal Cap (2pcs)
H0570 Damper Set (Front/Rear)
H0571 Damper Parts
C0602/1 Ball Bearing (5x8) (2pcs)
D0602 Ball Bearing (6x13x5) (2pcs)
D0603 Thrust Bearing
H0603 Flanged Ball Bearing (5x10) (2pcs)
K0603 Ball Bearing (10x15x4) (2pcs)
K0603/1 Ball Bearing (10x15x4) (10pcs)
C0605 Ball Bearing (6x10x3) (2pcs)
H0704 Engine Nut
X H0753 Spring Cup
H0764 Clutch Spring Firm
X H0767 Clutch Spring Super Hard
X MSR1001 Clutch Spring Hard
T0801 Steering Tie Rod (2pcs)
X T0804 Titanium Steering Tie Rod (2pcs)
D0806 Antenna Tube (2pcs)
H0855 Ball Link 6mm (10pcs)


H0857 Turnbuckle Tie Rod 22mm (2pcs)
H0858 Ball Link 6mm Short (10pcs)
X H0863 Titanium Turnbuckle Tie Rod (2pcs)
H0864 Fuel Tank Cap
H0867 Pivot Ball (4pcs)
T0902 Manifold Spring (2pcs)
T0904 Wire for Muffler
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:16 PM   #678
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I think 550 is a good price point for a car that doesn't need a bunch of parts. Even my NT1's get a heap of option parts, I just built a new kit with brass engine mount and about 10 other things. The mugen comes with weights and everything else. Maybe more weight is needed but it would get you close. No different brake pads, no pad springs, no $100 dollar clutch set(hd clutch) , No plastic diff gears to source. I think it's on track with the cap car for options and even easier to work on. Brilliant really. Add to that that from the pictures it looks like you need a fair bit of weight to ballast up to min weight.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:15 PM   #679
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So more carbon, machined alloy, and features than ever, add in inflation, and that the US dollar is in the toilet, yet it's still only $550 when a Capricorn costs more like $650, and some still don't like the price?.

I must be insane, cause the prices where I am are looking good lately to me...


What I'd like to see though is numbers pick up, on-road nitro has been in a slump here for some time.
(Hopefully though there will be a horde of MTX5 pilots out there soon though.)
Alloy parts are cheaper to make than plastic parts from what i hear. The cost of machining a vacuum mould plastic part is more exxy than CNC'ing an alloy part. It's also cheaper if future revisions to the design need to be made as no new vacuum mould needs to be produced.

carbon fibre (especially the simple quality in rc cars) can't be that expensive these days...i doubt it anyway. The kit is no more advanced (in it's parts) as a mtx3 or 4. I mean there isn't any high tech plastic being used, or super special rare metal, it's all basic material which is available quite easily from any major manufacturer.

i agree, $550 Aussie/USA is a fair price.
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Alloy parts are cheaper to make than plastic parts from what i hear. The cost of machining a vacuum mould plastic part is more exxy than CNC'ing an alloy part. It's also cheaper if future revisions to the design need to be made as no new vacuum mould needs to be produced.
short production runs are relatively cheap to make on cnc. The tooling cost for making a mold is pretty insane, however the material (plastic resin) is cheaper so long term production in large numbers is cheaper. Also the tool wear in the long run makes CNC Al parts more expensive long term added to the record aluminum prices (no cnc router bits to wear out)
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short production runs are relatively cheap to make on cnc. The tooling cost for making a mold is pretty insane, however the material (plastic resin) is cheaper so long term production in large numbers is cheaper. Also the tool wear in the long run makes CNC Al parts more expensive long term added to the record aluminum prices (no cnc router bits to wear out)
Carbide tools last a lot longer than you think on aluminum. Trust me, making the aluminum parts is cheaper(way) than making the plastic injection molds. Ive been in both businesses, I would know.
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Don't forget you also have to pay for design and development. With the 3 and 4, we were just paying Sonada, now we have to pay Sonada AND Pietsch.

Considering what a hot streak Pietsch is on as a designer going back to Shepherd, I say it's still a good deal.
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and the inflation of japanese currency and deflation of US dollar.
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Don't forget you also have to pay for design and development. With the 3 and 4, we were just paying Sonada, now we have to pay Sonada AND Pietsch.

Considering what a hot streak Pietsch is on as a designer going back to Shepherd, I say it's still a good deal.
I think his name is Koji Sanada.
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I question the idea the alloy is cheaper to produce than the plastics, theories or not, when a replacement plastic bulkhead is costing $12, and the alloy more like $45, where is that theory holding water then?.


Look at all the electric cars, switch to alloy and carbon and the prices went through the roof, we are seeing the nitro cars not do the same (if you ignore Capricorn), but you can't avoid that the prices of the newer alloy parts 'are' more expensive, so someone has it wrong somewhere.
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I question the idea the alloy is cheaper to produce than the plastics, theories or not, when a replacement plastic bulkhead is costing $12, and the alloy more like $45, where is that theory holding water then?.


Look at all the electric cars, switch to alloy and carbon and the prices went through the roof, we are seeing the nitro cars not do the same (if you ignore Capricorn), but you can't avoid that the prices of the newer alloy parts 'are' more expensive, so someone has it wrong somewhere.
Material cost and production cost different??
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I think his name is Koji Sanada.
Yep. I always want to spell it with an O for some reason.
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Carbide tools last a lot longer than you think on aluminum. Trust me, making the aluminum parts is cheaper(way) than making the plastic injection molds. Ive been in both businesses, I would know.
Steve I was talking about runs in the millions of pieces range, like long term production. If that's wrong they need to start teaching different things at Oregon State University's Mechanical Engineering program... on a side note, are you guys going to the xray race at speedworld?
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Steve I was talking about runs in the millions of pieces range, like long term production. If that's wrong they need to start teaching different things at Oregon State University's Mechanical Engineering program... on a side note, are you guys going to the xray race at speedworld?
Don't worry, you aren't mistaken. Although, millions of pieces might be a little too high . Millions are for the companies that have very small margin of profit per piece produced.


CNC vs Plastic Moulding comes down to the quantities the company is looking to sell.

Plastic Molding has a high initial cost to a company due to the molds. But if they are going to stick with the same mold over several years, it pays off. Example: if you look at the MTX-4, do you think the arms, uprights and bulkheads did not pay-off after such a long run with the same car??

CNC has a lower initial cost, and the cost of the materials are passed on to the racer. So it's a win-win for the company, not so much for the racers.

On another note, CNC gives the company the ability to change their design without having yet another molding cost. Just look at how many times Serpent has redesigned their 733 rear bulkheads, I just lost track of it.
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Don't worry, you aren't mistaken. Although, millions of pieces might be a little too high . Millions are for the companies that have very small margin of profit per piece produced.


CNC vs Plastic Moulding comes down to the quantities the company is looking to sell.

Plastic Molding has a high initial cost to a company due to the molds. But if they are going to stick with the same mold over several years, it pays off. Example: if you look at the MTX-4, do you think the arms, uprights and bulkheads did not pay-off after such a long run with the same car??

CNC has a lower initial cost, and the cost of the materials are passed on to the racer. So it's a win-win for the company, not so much for the racers.

On another note, CNC gives the company the ability to change their design without having yet another molding cost. Just look at how many times Serpent has redesigned their 733 rear bulkheads, I just lost track of it.
was exaggerating a bit but you know what i mean
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