I like the new class. I just may have to put one on my Christmas list. I just want to keep the playing field as level as possible. I'm not willing to dump a ton of money into this just to be competitive. Need to really look at a good set of rules.

I recently converted my old XTM buggy to a GT. It was easy!! All I had to do was get the bodymount kit for the Kyosho Inferno GT. and a bumper from the OFNA GTP. Tires available are either the Kyosho kit versions, the pre-mounted GRP rubber, or the OFNA foam tires that need to be cut down.

I chose to use the BMW body because it seems to have enough room to cover the tall rear shock tower.

Cost to me was about slightly less than half that of a new Inferno GT. Mostly because of the cost of the body and the tires.

Dig-up an old buggy or buy a new kit, this is gonna be an exciting new class of racing.

The Porsche bodies are available from Ofna. The clear ones don’t cost that much. I think I saw one at my LHS for about $35. The Kyosho bodies have greater detail and are also available clear on the cheap. Pre-painted bodies are more costly for sure.

RC Pro Series “Class” rules for the “GT” cars are going to be simple.

“GT Stock”= Bone Stock IGT, any electronics, chassis set-up mods permitted, diff oil changes OK and all cars will use Kyosho “Optional” V-Slick rubber tires. That’s it.

“GT Super Stock” is the same as above and allows the use of any “commercially available” .28 engine, chassis upgrades permitted. All cars will use Kyosho “Optional” V-Slick rubber tires. That’s all.

“Rally Open” is a “free for all”, except that all cars must run rubber tires.

Simple.:nod:

+1:D

In which of your three classes will you allow:

1. Brake upgrades (I'm guessing all three)
2. Modifications of the stock gearing ratios (I'm guessing all three)
3. Center diff instead of the two-speed (I'm guessing only Rally Open)
4. Non-Kyosho bodies (I'm guessing only Rally Open)
5. Non-Kyosho tires (I'm guessing only the Rally Open class)
6. Sway bars (I'm guessing all three classes)

I'm not trying to un-simplify your rules, I'm just curious to see how you all set it up.

I'm looking to convert my Ofna Ultra Comp to on-road. So far, i've come up with needing the 2-speed assy., tires, and a body. I'm not sure if the stock body mounts will work and i'm going to have to look at the bumper too. Any other ideas?

Not trying to mess up your thinking here, but I would like to share with you what has happen here in Jackson, MS at the Bass Pro races.. We started the GT class 2 races ago, the first race only had 2 entries (we had rain)... the second race we had 8 entries and I know five more for the next race...

Here are our rules:

THE SPEC CLASS IS DESIGNED TO LET PEOPLE GET INTO THE RACING SIDE OF REMOTE CONTROLLED CARS AT A LOWER COST.

THE RULES FOR THIS CLASS ARE AS FOLLOWED:

THE INFERNO GT MUST BE RAN EXACTLY LIKE IT CAME OUT OF THE BOX, NO MODIFICATION ARE ALLOWED TO BE DONE TO THE CAR, IT MUST STAY BOX STOCK EXCEPT FOR THE FOLLOWING:

1. YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO CHANGE YOUR ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT (Radio and Servos).

2. YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE SHOCK OIL TO WHAT EVER YOU WOULD LIKE BUT THE SHOCK SPRINGS MUST STAY THE SAME

3. YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF THREE TYPES OF TIRES:

- GRP TREADED TIRE part# GMWO1C or B / OR

- OFNA SLICKS OR TREADED part # 86504 WHITE& 86508 CHROME OR

- KYOSHO V - Slick Tire (IGT002-45 45-shore rating - Soft compound / IGT002-55 (55-shore rating) - Medium compound / IGT002-60 (60-shore rating) - Hard compound)

NO OTHER TIRES ARE ALLOWED!! (CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL HOBBY SHOP OR THESE TIRES)

4. PERSONAL TRANSPONDER REQUIRED!!!

Links to the possible cars:
Inferno GT BMW M3 GTR with GXR28
Inferno GT Aston Martin DBR-9 with GXR28
Inferno GT Calsonic 350Z with GXR28
Inferno GT Subaru Impreza WRC with GXR28
Inferno GT Ferrari F430GT with GXR28

As far as brake fade... only when someone is using drag brake..... :eek:

The goal is 400.00 gets the person on the track and racing...

Perhaps you could do it like Lemans does, I think you should make it simpler by lettng rally open and super stock class into one, or droping open all together but allow non kyosho type cars to run it. As a matter of fact, Lemans classifies GT1 cars as 'heavily modified production cars', and GT2 is 'production cars with minor modifications'.
GT1 would be your Super stock,
and GT2 would be your stock class.

I think limiting it to Kyosho slick tires only could be problematic if there should ever by a supply/added cost issue. GRP and PMT make tires, GRP seems to be more widely available, probably more than Kyosho. PMT I think is available through a smaller distribution here.

One small area of concern with strict 'box stock rules' , but to those rules allow for changing out the threaded camber links with turnbuckles?

sorry to jump in, but I know the answer... Yes, all setup changes are allowed, but equipment changes are not allowed... So Shock oil can change, but not the shocks or springs... you can change the toe-in/out, camber... but you not allowed to upgrade the equipment....

On the brakes.... I have been told that the problem with the stock brakes, if you get fuel on them, it causes them to not work and they come a part. So I really would like to allow people to update the brake pads to Item number IFW324. I have been told they are expensive, but they will last a long time... so the cost over time is very small and the gain is big....

What do you guys think???

I think brakes,threaded camber links with turnbuckles, stuff like that should be cool even in the "GT Stock" class.:nod:

What I would like to find is a common set of rules, this way people can race in other areas... The know they are legal... Let's support GT together...

[QUOTE=bvoltz;3801404]Here are our rules:

THE SPEC CLASS IS DESIGNED TO LET PEOPLE GET INTO THE RACING SIDE OF REMOTE CONTROLLED CARS AT A LOWER COST.

THE RULES FOR THIS CLASS ARE AS FOLLOWED:

THE INFERNO GT MUST BE RAN EXACTLY LIKE IT CAME OUT OF THE BOX, NO MODIFICATION ARE ALLOWED TO BE DONE TO THE CAR, IT MUST STAY BOX STOCK EXCEPT FOR THE FOLLOWING:

1. YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO CHANGE YOUR ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT (Radio and Servos).

2. YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE SHOCK OIL TO WHAT EVER YOU WOULD LIKE BUT THE SHOCK SPRINGS MUST STAY THE SAME

3. YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF THREE TYPES OF TIRES:

- GRP TREADED TIRE part# GMWO1C or B / OR

- OFNA SLICKS OR TREADED part # 86504 WHITE& 86508 CHROME OR

- KYOSHO V - Slick Tire (IGT002-45 45-shore rating - Soft compound / IGT002-55 (55-shore rating) - Medium compound / IGT002-60 (60-shore rating) - Hard compound)

NO OTHER TIRES ARE ALLOWED!! (CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL HOBBY SHOP OR THESE TIRES)

4. PERSONAL TRANSPONDER REQUIRED!!!

Just add two rules and you're (we're) set:

5. Turnbuckles allowed

6. Kyosho brake upgrades allowed.


My original brake pads actually tore off the pressure plate... this could be a safety issue. The 'threaded wire' that comes with the car is maddening when trying to tune the suspension.

I really think that this could be a fine, universal class with these six simple rules.....

... now where did I put the stock engine??

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Tampa Florida December 1-2, 2007

Kyosho Durability
 

I just wanted to chime in here with respect to the durability of the Kyosho Landmax. This was Kyosho's first buggy-rally car conversion. I got on of these in 1999 and it is still going strong. In general use (not racing) I have only had to replace these parts in 7 years:

Wheels, tires
Air cleaner element
Piston/Liner ($35!)


It has gone through 2 steering servos and I have changed the radio and battery a few times but the 'chassis' components have not worn out or broken. Could probably use a new body at this point.

With the renewed interest in these cars, this last season I tore it down and even things like the clutch shoes and gears were not bad enough to replace.

This is in contrast to an HPI RS4 that I also bought in 2000. It tended to disintegrate into pieces in the first few months of ownership.

Can I play devil's advocate for a minute here?

I don't want to throw a wet blanket on any idea, because I'd like to see more people racing, too, but historically, adding more classes isn't always the best way to accomplish this. In reality, it just thins out the classes that already exist, as people move from one to another instead of building good turnout numbers in a mainstay class. In my experience, a new class only works against higher entry numbers in the long term—not in benefit of it.

I'm wondering if the reasoning to add another nitro on road class is to generate new racers or to just have another interesting class with a car that has a low cost entry point? If the latter is the case, it's not in the best interest of anyone to move towards a class that has a car/chassis specific focus, where the car is useless anywhere else outside of that class. For someone to enter racing in a class like that, their next step out of an "entry level" is to sell the car and move to something else entirely, leaving all of their spares and consumables useless for anything more than that class-specific car.

Now, I realize that all other classes are car/chassis dependent, but at least the cars have some use to others in resale. What can you do with this car if you decide you don't like the class or you want to move up?

Could an entry-level class return to Midwest gas racing in the way of a Sportsman class, that would maybe help propel new racers (and electric converts) into nitro racing? I recall Sportsman and 2wd used to be a very populated class in the MWS WAY back when I was a teen and raced in it, and then over time, it vanished—along with a feeder system for faster classes—and a lot of new on road racers.


Trust me, I dig the IGT and overall concept of the class (through Leisure Hours), but when I looked at the cost outlay to start up, plus the quality of the kits and parts, then I figured out where I wanted to be as an entry-level gas racer next year, I decided that it was more in my better interest to buy a purpose-built 1/8th on road car and work my way up through the D and C mains, than to buy a car that has one very specific use, and even a more specific resale buyer. [How's that for a run-on sentence?] Not to mention quality of competition, number of tracks that this car can compete on, parts supply, low-buck kit quality and in the inevitability for people to push the limits of an "entry level" chassis with hop ups and rule bending.

If courting new racers is really the intent, my only concern is that this class is a dead-end for anyone who wants to go further in gas racing.

Would a Sportsman 1/10th sedan and 1/8th on-road "spec" class or 2wd bring in more new racers? Are the costs of this new proposed buggy chassis class that much more inexpensive than something else? Are you inviting the "basher" attitude and behavior shown in that previously mentioned video to one of the last grown-up forms of R/C racing?



Just thinking out loud. No intent to create any conflict... just another side to the discussion.



doug

Sorry, I hadn't read the 2008 MWS thread discussing the reasons and proposed structure of the class, and didn't understand the intent of a "buggy" class racing on-road.


I'm not totally sold on the idea, but that's just me. I'd much rather see a stepping stone class for me to jump into the fold in 1/10th sedan or 1/8th 4wd that allowed the use of the same or similar technology as the "open" classes, and yet not feel immediately intimidated by gas racers with national titles and decades of experience under their belts.

I guess the big question is, can you pull buggy off road guys into this class and grow the rest of the classes because of it, or are you just adding more moving chicanes to dodge in practice? I know I ran LH a couple of times with an electric sedan last summer, and those GT cars that were out there had a definite "basher" or monster truck aura around them. I very much felt the need to leave the track when they were running.


Again, that's just me... I'll be joining the 1/8th fray next summer for the first time in 19 years. :nod:

Hey Doug, You have some really good points. Maybe you should chime in on the MWS board as well. The one thing that struck me was the practice issue, and the lack of it being a 'stepping stone' class. Certainly these cars will be slower in practice, and they will not be similar enough to drive like the 1/8th open or 1/10th touring class. The 1/12th spada and 1/8th F1 car was also being considerd. Perhaps you are right, in a way I wish that 1/8th (or 1/10th 2wd pan) car was still around (and it might make a comeback), perhaps those 2 classes would be better 'stepping stones' for something like the MWS because I really never felt that 1/10th 200mm wasn't such a great beginner class.

I raced a handful of Chicago area MWS races in '88 and '89 as a teen, and at that time, I ran a 4wd Serpent chassis in 2wd mode in the Sportsman class. The class was newer gas racers and "old fogies" at the time. For me, it was a great way to really compete in an established club without the fear of getting in the way of some of the hardcore 4wd guys who took it (far too) seriously. I didn't feel overwhelmed or out of place, and it was actually quite a comfortable and cost-effective way to enter gas racing at a club level.

I know there will always be arguments against 2wd and "spec" classes, but it's always more appealing if you can use the very same car in that entry-level class as you can later on in the destination Open class. I don't know about other non MWS or gas racers, but for me, it would be far more appealing to return to (or enter) 1/8th scale with a spec tire (hardness), spec motor (cost limit), spec body, 2wd class that it would be to jump into the deep end in 4wd Open with some of the names I saw on the 2006 MWS point standings. :eek:

I'm getting off the track, so to speak, and straying from the GT proposal. I didn't mean to derail the conversation—I'm just wondering if trying to fill the void of Outlaw for the sake of replacing it accomplishes anything or just creates another class that has participation from drivers running a second car at the event. Will it really bring off road racers to the pavement? Is it sexy enough to pull in electric carpet racers wanting more?

But again, I haven't run in a MWS event in almost 2 decades, so take my opinion for what it's worth.




doug

Our reason for introducing the GT cars at RC Pro Series events is to promote the growth of our sport.

A Kyosho Inferno GT are much stronger than the 1/10 & 1/8 scale on-road RC car currently being raced in America today. GT racers will spend more time enjoying their new cars instead of replacing broken belts, arms, bulkheads or bent chassis:cry:

Its entry price as an RTR in the $400 dollar range won’t send spectators into a “comma” when they learn the start up cost like the 1/10 & 1/8 scale Nitro powered on-road cars currently raced in America today.

The GT cars are BIGGER, more visible & realistic looking than the 1/10 &1/8 scale cars currently raced in America today for spectators to see and want to get started racing.

The GT cars offer the spectator =turned “Newbie RC Racer” the ability to practice, learn and enjoy their new RC experience on just about any surface; including an dirty parking lot or street. Try doing that with the 1/10 &1/8 scale cars currently being raced in America.

Since the GT cars can run on less than “ideal” racing surfaces, temporary “Exhibition” tracks & races can be set up by “clubs” where there are actually crowds of people so our sport actually has a chance to promote itself & grow.

That is of course if they really want our sport to grow. ( I say that because there are some of us in RC cyberspace that don’t want or care if RC racing ever grows in popularity, right?):sneaky:

But the best reason of all, if my 1/8 scale decides that it wants to become a “Kit” again, I can pick it up with a broom & dust pan and fire up my low buck, almost indestructible, trusty 50+mph “Bone Stock” Kyosho Inferno GT and keep on having RC fun.:nod:

What worked or didn't work in the past doesn't neccessarily mean it will work or not work now. We can learn from the past and realize that the things that were tried in the past and died off, died off for a reason. I feel something different has to be tried to help grow the sport and this seems like the ticket. The pros of this have already been discussed.

We have a club (parking lot) track that has had a lot of spectators and the sport 1:10 class didn't really "bring" people in. Most of the guys running sport had friend's running pro so they started out in sport. With the GT cars, I think an interested spectator will like what they see and may not run away screaming when they ask about price. They will see them bashing the boards and continue to run and they will also see the touring cars bump a board and watch the driver pull the car from the track.

As in all racing, the rules need to be followed and enforced. Anything would fail if this isn't done. I also think the incentive for "moving up" will be the need for speed. Consider it like this, Craftsman Truck to Busch to Nextel Cup. We can have GT cars, to touring, to 1:8 open. I'd like to move up to 1:8 because of the speed and challange but i'm waiting till I have more experience and wins with my touring car. When I got into RC racing, I didn't buy my first electric touring car and think, this is the only car and type of racing I will ever do. I always expected to "move up". I think most people would think the same thing. It's a good place to start.

Well said Jet MD.

GT racing is a good thing for our sport.

This is funny. IGT to Touring to 1/8 = Craftsman Truck to Busch to Nextel?? More like: Spec Yellow Cab to Busch to Nextel.

Hi, I'm Southern California so perhaps my opinions have no merit for your venue but on the subject of having or not having an IGT class, this is something you should open yourselves to for allowing entry level interest to join the hobby and maybe take the class even further.

From the other posts about going with 1/8 instead of investing with IGT, this all boils down to a preference. The fact is, 1/8 has always been there and will always be there with all its costs ($$$) and complexities. For those who can handle it or who want to take on the challenge thats great! However there are others who just want a little weekend fun without a lot of "rocket science"

After all these years the hobby has seen many fads and yet certain classes have remained, 1/8 nitro onroad, 1/8 nitro buggy, 1/12 electric onroad, 1/10 electric buggy.

The latest addition has been 1/10 touring in both nitro and electric and that has started the same way IGT is starting now. Converted offroad 4wd buggies with scale looking onroad bodies. More than 10years ago people thought of 1/10 touring as car to have fun with after the Tamiya F1 races. Ironically it has outlasted and surpassed F1

Soon Serpent will be releasing a nitro F1 car, will you be racing that over the IGT? Will you be rejecting IGT or any of its other forms to allow a more expensive less popular F1 nitro class to run just because its from Serpent?

Its your track guys. Run it how you want it be it like a clubhouse or frathouse its yours to choose. Just remember, to many others, this is just a hobby.

The above quote makes the most sense above all else that has been stated.

I like the idea of a GT class.
I would like it even more if the class was allowed to evolve on its own...meaning don't put any rules to it and let the people driving the cars figure out how they want to run.

When Monster trucks started as a racing option...it was pretty much a free for all, very relaxed and a lot of fun. People competed with each other and figured out what it took to win with there trucks. Over a few years, after the following for the class grew, rules were easily adopted to help "even up the racing".

Just because an "inexpensive" option for RC racing is availabe....doesn't mean the RC racing community will see a huge surgence in attendance.

There are the HARDCORE RC racer.
There are the RACE for Fun racer
There are the IT LOOKS COOL but I JUST DON'T HAVE A RACING INTEREST type person.

Who is this class geared to.

Doug

The greatest appeal the IGT classes offers is to the racer that might want to have a low cost option to on-road and the millions of people in America that see RC racing as a crazy, expensive and difficult to justify pastime.

Hehehe. Just like fishing, hunting, cycling, skiing, golfing and almost every other grown-up hobby. ;)

I like the iGT class idea, for sure. And unless I own one, I just don't want to be on the track at the same time. :)



doug

Well I can tell you that GT class here in Jackson is for the person that wants to have fun club racing... Not the gear head... And being on the track with them at the same time is not an issue, everyone is real respectfully.. and the GT is not any faster then stock and most likely slower because it designed for the new person wanting to take the step into R/C but with out taking the jump in to R/C. It is for the person that wants to come out on Saturday race and the not think about or touch the car all week, then do it again next weekend or in our case, one time per month. GT offers just that. We did start late in the season with this class, but the first time we had 2, the next time we had 8 and I know of many others that are purchasing cars and a good number of them are new, for next year. The bottom line, at the Bass Pro races (One time per month, and we expouse R/C to 8,000 to 10,000 people a day, we got very little interest in the 1/10th Sedan, even when we put together a package to get them started for around 400.00 RTR, Tires, Charger, the works... But the Nitro... All I can say is WOW!!!!! they come out of the wood work to watch and the GT class had the most watching... NOT 1/10th Nitro Sedan, but GT... I asked a few of the people watching, the reasons, they are slower, they are bigger and the look alot of fun. The Sedans are just too fast and the cost WAY to much just for a little fun.... I got this answer out of 90% people I asked about it.

Remember we race at Bass Pro to show off R/C... To get new people into RC... I dislike parking lot racing, because of the work, time and surface issues, but you have to take R/C to the people, because they don't come to your track to see it.

GT is a great place for people to start in Nitro...

What will happen with it in 4 years, who cares... I have seen 1/12th scale come and go in a single season. I have seen gas truck die in 3 months... And as far as the rules... People really think it matters, even when they are just learning to drive. Our goal is to stop the spending (wasting) of money and let you work on your skills. We had a Factory driver here and he took one of the GTs out, he ran the track in 18.7 seconds, the rest of the GT people ran it in 22 to 23 seconds... So do you really think that if we opened the rules up it would make a difference? I say no, but try to tell that to the people that are running GT...:lol: They want rules and they want the class teched... not the same Mod Sedan, 19T Sedan and Nitro Sedan... People really did not care to have a tech of the top 4... We did anyway....

Look, GT is not for the hard core racer... it is for the new person, or weekend racer. So please do not mix the two when you are thinking about GT.

Hope this helps what is happening with GT...

PS> I would like to see one set of standard rules, so people can travel meet others, and enjoy a great race... out of town...

Ok, how about go-carts to Busch to Nextel? :D

I totally agree with what people are saying about accessibility. People need to be able to turn up, ask a few questions and then spend some money to be able to race the next month/week or whatever. Think about how much you spent on your first RC...

The further the rules stray away from what comes in an rtr box, the further the appeal will decrease. Racing is about fun, and the less of that there is, or percieved to be, the less people will be attracted to the hobby.

Keep it simple, stop thinking about what you want to race, and think about what new people will find cheap and easy.

Amen. :):):):lol::lol::):lol::lol::D:D:D:ha::ha:

RC Pro Rally Car Racing Rules
 

[These Rally Car rules sent by the President of RC Pro.

RC Pro “Rally” Rules

These are new classes and as such the rules are being developed. Our goal with the spec class is to find a low cost entry class to get new racers interested in the onroad side of our sport.

Kyosho Inferno GT Spec Class Rules:
*If it doesn’t say you can do it, you CAN’T DO IT.

Car Rules
1. Upgrade brakes.
2. Upgrade radio gear (servos, linkage, receiver and radio).
3. Add sway bars (front and rear)
4. Shock and diff oils can be changed.
5. Any shock position, caster position, ect., provided by the car (no drilling holes).
6. You may use a starter box, but pull-start must remain intact and operational.
7. Clutch gearing may change (14-15 first gear, 17-18-19 second gear, kyosho only).
8. Replacing threaded links with turnbuckles.
9. Kyosho V-slick in any of the 3 compounds for tires. Treaded kit tires are allowed.
Tires must be fully covered by the body. Treaded kit tires may be used. Tires must be
rubber. NO foam tires. Tire must be used as produced by the manufacturer.

Body Rules
Must be a full body (GT, sedan etc no buggy, truck, suv bodies)
1. Body must be cut on the manufacturer line.
2. You may cut the rear of the body no higher than 1 1/8th” when sitting flat on a surface.
3. Side window may be cut open for fueling.
4. Front window may be cut, but no larger than 3”x3”.
5. Rear window may be cut, but no larger than 2”x2”.
6. You may cut a hole for the glow plug ignitor.
7. Fueling access may be cut but may not connect with other holes.
8. Wing must be attached to the body and not the chassis.

These are the only changes allowed to the vehicle from the box.

Kyosho Inferno GT SS Class Rules:

Car Rules
1. Must be Kyosho GT or Kyosho buggy converted to a GT car.
2. Engine may be changed to any .28 or smaller engine.
3. Pipe may be changed to any legal pipe. Exhaust pipe must be covered by the body.
Max Stinger diameter - 8mm
Max stinger length 15mm
Must meet standard decibel level rule. The maximum sound level is 85 decibels, measured at a ninety degree angle to the side of the car from a distance of 30 feet, 3 feet above the ground, with the car at maximum throttle and at all speeds.
4. Any chassis or suspension upgrade is legal providing the vehicle maintains the proper measurements as listed below..
5. Wheelbase
Minimum 270mm - Maximum 330mm
6. Minimum weight 112oz. (7lbs) Dry (no fuel).
7. Kyosho V-slick in any of the 3 compounds for tires. Tire must be used as produced by the manufacturer.
Maximum tire diameter - 3.6 in.
Maximum width - 1.9 in.
Tires must be fully covered by the body. Treaded kit tires may be used. Tires must be rubber. NO foam tires.
8. Fuel system- Maximum capacity 125cc this includes fuel tank, filter(s) and fuel line from tank to carb.
9. Center diff - may be solid spool or diff. Vehicle may be 1 or 2 speed.

Body Rules
Must be a full body (GT, sedan etc no buggy, truck, suv bodies)
1. Body must be cut on the manufacturer line.
2. You may cut the rear of the body no higher than 1 1/8th” when sitting flat on a surface.
3. Side window may be cut open for fueling.
4. Front window may be cut, but no larger than 3”x3”.
5. Rear window may be cut, but no larger than 2”x2”.
6. You may cut a hole for the glow plug ignitor.
7. Fueling access may be cut but may not connect with other holes.
8. Wing must be attached to the body and not the chassis.

1/8 Rally Open Rules:

Car Rules
1. May be any 1/8 buggy converted to run as a GT type car.
2. May use any engine .28 or smaller.
3. Pipe may be changed to any legal pipe. Exhaust pipe must be covered by the body.
Max Stinger diameter - 8mm
Max stinger length 15mm
Must meet standard decibel level rule. The maximum sound level is 85 decibels, measured at a ninety degree angle to the side of the car from a distance of 30 feet, 3 feet above the ground, with the car at maximum throttle and at all speeds.
4. Wheelbase
Minimum 270mm - Maximum 330mm
6. Minimum weight 112oz. (7lbs) Dry (no fuel).
7. Any tire built for 1/8 rally type racing. FOAM tires OK. Tire may be slick or treaded. No sectioning, narrowing or cutting of the tire carcass allowed. Grooving or sipping is allowed. Any inner foam is allowed.

Maximum tire diameter - 3.6 in.
Maximum width - 1.9 in.

Tires must be fully covered by the body.

8. Fuel system- Maximum capacity 125cc this includes fuel tank, filter(s) and fuel line
from tank to carb.

9. Center diff - may be solid spool or diff. Vehicle may be 1 or 2 speed.

Body Rules
Must be a full body (GT, sedan etc no buggy, truck, suv bodies)
1. Body must be cut on the manufacturer line.
2. You may cut the rear of the body no higher than 1 1/8th” when sitting flat on a surface.
3. Side window may be cut open for fueling.
4. Front window may be cut, but no larger than 3”x3”.
5. Rear window may be cut, but no larger than 2”x2”.
6. You may cut a hole for the glow plug ignitor.
7. Fueling access may be cut but may not connect with other holes.
8. Wing must be attached to the body and not the chassis.

These are new classes and as such the rules are being developed. Our goal with the spec class is to find a low cost entry class to get new racers interested in the onroad side of our sport.

The GT SS class is a step up from the spec class to allow for racers who want to go faster once they feel they are ready.

The Rally Open class is for those racers who have offroad buggies and want to try onroad for a reasonable price. A typical offroad buggy will need to change tires, install a front bumper under the body to help support the body and install a full body on the car. Roughly $100 to change a buggy over.

The SS & Rally Open class may be combined but scored separately at certain events depending on number of entries.

Races may be ran on all paved tracks or a combination of paved and dirt/grass tracks.

Qualifiers may be 5 minutes or more.
Mains may be 5 minutes or more.

What is the purpose of limiting the size of the rear window?

The inferno GT is a great car and introducing the GT class is a great idea but I think you should have a intro level with rules to keep the cost down and a expert level where you can modify as much as you want.

If you need alot of Inferno GT info look at this http://infernogt.proboards102.com/index.cgi

Kyosho is the way

OK, this all sounds way fun and cool to even get a break from the heated 1/8th scale onroad. Some weekends I don't want to mess with all my "tweaking" and this sounds like the PERFECT alternative. Now here is my stupid question. I own the older Kyosho Landmax. I think it fits all the guidlines, however it has the Subaru 4 door sedan body, or rally depending on how you see it. Is this body legal or do I need to get a new body. I have had this car for like 5 years and never even started it. It would be awesome to actually be able to play with the darn thing. So yeah, I suppose I am too lazy right now to find out what catagory the Subaru body falls under. So can I use this or not? If not, where can I look for these other GT style bodies? Not too sure who sells them, or are they pretty common and can find them all over the place, Like Tower, A main hobbies etc.. Thanks for the help guys.:) Here's a few pics.

You have an extra 'http://' in your link.

Spec class
 

I am excited about racing these cars and plan to participate at the track next season.
Is the spec class targeted for one manufacturer only?
Are the Ofna GTP and Kyosho IGT equivalent cars in their stock "as shipped" base configuration?
Does the focus of the spec class get lost as base models from different manufacturers are allowed?

Dude, that car is good to go in Kyosho GT Stock.

SS Speedway this December 1-2 in Tampa Florida.

Come on down!

I'd like to see both manufacturers working together like Ford & Chevy in NASCAR.

If you know people at OFNA have them contact RC Pro Series. I've tried several times with no reply. Lets try again, all together this time!

Chris at Ofna, if you want your cars to be part of RC Pro's "Spec" Rally program for 2008, please contact RC Pro Series to be part of the new classes; if you want your customers to race with us then pick up the phone.

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