Serpent 720
03-02-2007, 04:32 PM
#2011
Ok, different way of explaining:
Take your car with the 3rd one way installed, apply a little brake and lift the rear wheels off the ground. Now roll the car forward. You will feel braking action. If you still don't believe me I quit
Take your car with the 3rd one way installed, apply a little brake and lift the rear wheels off the ground. Now roll the car forward. You will feel braking action. If you still don't believe me I quit
03-02-2007, 05:06 PM
#2012
julius
you did a very good job of answering the questions that guys had
so smile its ok
you did a very good job of answering the questions that guys had
so smile its ok
03-02-2007, 08:01 PM
#2014
Tomorrow I will be breaking in my 720. I can't wait!! Guys do you think I should sell my 710 and get a second 720 ? I'm getting the itch badly!!
03-03-2007, 02:25 AM
#2015
Tech Rookie
Originally Posted by Julius
No you're not missing anything. It works just as I said. When you lock the brake the front wheels cannot turn forward.
Now, what makes the front wheels turn when you are braking anyway? The track! The front wheels are rolling forward aren't they? So that means they will apply force to the brake disk via the one way.
Now, what makes the front wheels turn when you are braking anyway? The track! The front wheels are rolling forward aren't they? So that means they will apply force to the brake disk via the one way.
03-03-2007, 02:40 AM
#2016
Guys thanks for the kind words. I was only joking. I do not get tired of answering questions. It's always a nice challenge to provide answers that work for everyone.
The thing with the one-way making it complicated is that it seems to work different under power and during braking. Actually it is not the one-way that works different, its the way the drivetrain is powered.
During acceleration you need to look at everything starting from the 2speed axle.
Under braking you need to look at the wheels as the driving force for the transmission. Start from there and work you r way back to the 2 speed.
The thing with the one-way making it complicated is that it seems to work different under power and during braking. Actually it is not the one-way that works different, its the way the drivetrain is powered.
During acceleration you need to look at everything starting from the 2speed axle.
Under braking you need to look at the wheels as the driving force for the transmission. Start from there and work you r way back to the 2 speed.
03-03-2007, 08:41 AM
#2017
Julius,
I think that most people understand your explanation. I went so far as to draw a schematic for my better understanding. The total point of the one way is: No binding in the front drive belt and more even power distribution even after uneven tire wear. It will also cancel out the twitchiness after coming out of a turn and getting on power.
I think that most people understand your explanation. I went so far as to draw a schematic for my better understanding. The total point of the one way is: No binding in the front drive belt and more even power distribution even after uneven tire wear. It will also cancel out the twitchiness after coming out of a turn and getting on power.
03-03-2007, 09:08 AM
#2018
Originally Posted by Julius
Ok, different way of explaining:
Take your car with the 3rd one way installed, apply a little brake and lift the rear wheels off the ground. Now roll the car forward. You will feel braking action. If you still don't believe me I quit
Take your car with the 3rd one way installed, apply a little brake and lift the rear wheels off the ground. Now roll the car forward. You will feel braking action. If you still don't believe me I quit
What Julius pointed out in the post before this one makes sense ... if the front has a diff or is solid and you apply your brakes, the front locks up when the car is on the box. On the road though the track forces the front tyres to turn dues to momentum, which translates the force onto the mid-belt which then translates onto the rear shaft. With the 3rd one-way installed, this shaft is not "dragged" by the rear tyres but instead turns freely.
03-03-2007, 09:10 AM
#2019
Originally Posted by GHETTOTEACHER
Julius,
I think that most people understand your explanation. I went so far as to draw a schematic for my better understanding. The total point of the one way is: No binding in the front drive belt and more even power distribution even after uneven tire wear. It will also cancel out the twitchiness after coming out of a turn and getting on power.
I think that most people understand your explanation. I went so far as to draw a schematic for my better understanding. The total point of the one way is: No binding in the front drive belt and more even power distribution even after uneven tire wear. It will also cancel out the twitchiness after coming out of a turn and getting on power.
03-03-2007, 09:11 AM
#2020
Originally Posted by B4
Julius,
I would like to say thank you from the Serpent drivers for your excellent explanations on how this and other improvments that come out can assist with making our cars not only faster but also more consistent.
Regards
Simon
I would like to say thank you from the Serpent drivers for your excellent explanations on how this and other improvments that come out can assist with making our cars not only faster but also more consistent.
Regards
Simon
03-03-2007, 09:12 AM
#2021
Originally Posted by GHETTOTEACHER
Tomorrow I will be breaking in my 720. I can't wait!! Guys do you think I should sell my 710 and get a second 720 ? I'm getting the itch badly!!
03-03-2007, 10:39 AM
#2022
Originally Posted by Julius
Guys thanks for the kind words. I was only joking. I do not get tired of answering questions. It's always a nice challenge to provide answers that work for everyone.
The thing with the one-way making it complicated is that it seems to work different under power and during braking. Actually it is not the one-way that works different, its the way the drivetrain is powered.
During acceleration you need to look at everything starting from the 2speed axle.
Under braking you need to look at the wheels as the driving force for the transmission. Start from there and work you r way back to the 2 speed.
The thing with the one-way making it complicated is that it seems to work different under power and during braking. Actually it is not the one-way that works different, its the way the drivetrain is powered.
During acceleration you need to look at everything starting from the 2speed axle.
Under braking you need to look at the wheels as the driving force for the transmission. Start from there and work you r way back to the 2 speed.
03-03-2007, 10:42 AM
#2023
Originally Posted by Julius
Guys thanks for the kind words. I was only joking. I do not get tired of answering questions. It's always a nice challenge to provide answers that work for everyone.
The thing with the one-way making it complicated is that it seems to work different under power and during braking. Actually it is not the one-way that works different, its the way the drivetrain is powered.
During acceleration you need to look at everything starting from the 2speed axle.
Under braking you need to look at the wheels as the driving force for the transmission. Start from there and work you r way back to the 2 speed.
The thing with the one-way making it complicated is that it seems to work different under power and during braking. Actually it is not the one-way that works different, its the way the drivetrain is powered.
During acceleration you need to look at everything starting from the 2speed axle.
Under braking you need to look at the wheels as the driving force for the transmission. Start from there and work you r way back to the 2 speed.
03-03-2007, 10:50 AM
#2024
Originally Posted by Killa G
So it seems that the only real disadvantage at this point is you lose some steering at corner entry correct? Or does that also depend on wheter or not you use a spool or a one way in the front?
03-03-2007, 11:02 AM
#2025
Originally Posted by Killa G
So it seems that the only real disadvantage at this point is you lose some steering at corner entry correct? Or does that also depend on wheter or not you use a spool or a one way in the front?
Or you can change the setup to be more agressive at corner entry.
Because in the beginning you need to get used to the free roll in the car you might interpret it as losing steering.