AKA releases Martin Bayer from team
10-10-2014, 01:41 PM
#121
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,491
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
(or however you would type out that badda bump thing..lol)
10-10-2014, 01:50 PM
#122
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,491
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
This 
No one want's to talk about someone can show up to biggest race with stuff that isn't out and Dominate. But we're here talking about a guy running another pair of tires.
About the "toy thing...
Yes they are toys, just like ATVs, dirtbikes and jetskis are toys! We are talking about false advertisement something these companies have done for years.
They win this big races with parts no one can get or they win with one companies product while announcing another. They also bring Frankenstein cars using other competitor parts!
RC Cars could be up there with skateboard, BMX etc. The problem is most companies have forgotten about introduction. Only the people who really like these things get into them. There is a huge rift from what we see the pros run to what we see at our local shops. IDK know about you guys but I watch the pros to see the products tested at the highest level. It's not a true test when you show up with a bunch of new items to the biggest race, blow everyone out because a bunch of tech and claim you have the best products out. In no other sport can you show up with a bunch of new technology on the final race of the season.
ALSO: This is a public forum to talk about R/C topics. I honestly don't care but I like to talk about things that interest me so I get on forums to do so. If YOU don't care, why come on this thread? Why read and reply with "Why do you care", adding nothing to the conversation.
No one want's to talk about someone can show up to biggest race with stuff that isn't out and Dominate. But we're here talking about a guy running another pair of tires.
About the "toy thing...
Yes they are toys, just like ATVs, dirtbikes and jetskis are toys! We are talking about false advertisement something these companies have done for years.
They win this big races with parts no one can get or they win with one companies product while announcing another. They also bring Frankenstein cars using other competitor parts!
RC Cars could be up there with skateboard, BMX etc. The problem is most companies have forgotten about introduction. Only the people who really like these things get into them. There is a huge rift from what we see the pros run to what we see at our local shops. IDK know about you guys but I watch the pros to see the products tested at the highest level. It's not a true test when you show up with a bunch of new items to the biggest race, blow everyone out because a bunch of tech and claim you have the best products out. In no other sport can you show up with a bunch of new technology on the final race of the season.
ALSO: This is a public forum to talk about R/C topics. I honestly don't care but I like to talk about things that interest me so I get on forums to do so. If YOU don't care, why come on this thread? Why read and reply with "Why do you care", adding nothing to the conversation.
Getting to where skateboarding and BMX are is no real goal, we're already there. Which in the real World, is nowhere anyone will notice.
I take that back. We're light years ahead of those two sports. I see Traxxas ads all the time, on channels and during programs that would have been unheard of just a couple years ago...SB and BMX, not so much..as in never.
We seem to b getting a little off topic though...
10-10-2014, 01:54 PM
#123
Do you watch nascar to see if the new Taurus is worth buying?
Now, I have a kid. To get the attention of kids, do not show them or take them to a World's RC race. I also skateboard EVERY DAY. Skateboarding is more like ballet with blood and less like rc racing. RC should be trying to get the attention of the makers, kids that enjoy minecraft, legos, etc...
Take them to a park or backyard. RC starts young, before we've developed our "whatever it takes" or "my way or the highway" internet voices.
To the people unable to get what the pros run:
Now, I have a kid. To get the attention of kids, do not show them or take them to a World's RC race. I also skateboard EVERY DAY. Skateboarding is more like ballet with blood and less like rc racing. RC should be trying to get the attention of the makers, kids that enjoy minecraft, legos, etc...
Take them to a park or backyard. RC starts young, before we've developed our "whatever it takes" or "my way or the highway" internet voices.
To the people unable to get what the pros run:
10-10-2014, 01:56 PM
#124
For those who are against Pros/Teams running special or one-off parts, I have a question. How is it any different than any other form of racing? MX, SX, Pro ATV, BTCC, WEC, ALMS, MotoGP, etc.. NONE of these forms of racing are using vehicles, fuels, tires, etc that are 100% consumer-available. Yet they will gladly advertise it as a great win for XYZ company then try and sell you ABC products. These companies do it for advertising.
IFMAR, ROAR, FEMCA, FAMAR, EFRA, etc. Those championships are more about advertising than they are about proving products which you can buy. Its not any different than Chevrolet winning a NASCAR Manf. Championship and plastering it all over TV commercials. Audi won a WEC championship? Alright, let me go hop down to the dealer buy an Audi R8 and see if it'll keep up in LMGTE. Are some R/C manufacturers bending reality to make a sale? Absolutely, and that's one of my issues with this whole R/C scam. All the IFMAR World's proved, was that Pro-Line and HPI/HB, CAN make products that are the best. Not that they do or that you can buy them within the next 2 years.
Consumers should be buying kits/engines/tires that work for them and the track conditions you run on. Not because they won an IFMAR/ROAR/etc Championship. Otherwise, you're liable to be let down greatly.
IFMAR, ROAR, FEMCA, FAMAR, EFRA, etc. Those championships are more about advertising than they are about proving products which you can buy. Its not any different than Chevrolet winning a NASCAR Manf. Championship and plastering it all over TV commercials. Audi won a WEC championship? Alright, let me go hop down to the dealer buy an Audi R8 and see if it'll keep up in LMGTE. Are some R/C manufacturers bending reality to make a sale? Absolutely, and that's one of my issues with this whole R/C scam. All the IFMAR World's proved, was that Pro-Line and HPI/HB, CAN make products that are the best. Not that they do or that you can buy them within the next 2 years.
Consumers should be buying kits/engines/tires that work for them and the track conditions you run on. Not because they won an IFMAR/ROAR/etc Championship. Otherwise, you're liable to be let down greatly.
10-10-2014, 01:59 PM
#125
Tech Rookie
I don't like it one bit, I used to be a huge Kyosho hater because of the price tag. Once I seen everyone using there parts, I realized there's something to this. Sponsored Racer's shouldn't be running Frankenstein cars. Prototype parts are fine but running parts from a different brand is not honest marketing. It's already enough that pros run parts that consumers can't even get. Atleast force them to run the same cars we get out of the box.
Big races like the Worlds/Neo/DNC should be stock races with racers running what comes out of the box. Testing should be done early in the season as small races. Ty's an amazing driver but he ran parts, tires, fuel gun that nobody can buy. Now people will flock to buy a D812 thinking there getting the same product only to be disappointed.
Big races like the Worlds/Neo/DNC should be stock races with racers running what comes out of the box. Testing should be done early in the season as small races. Ty's an amazing driver but he ran parts, tires, fuel gun that nobody can buy. Now people will flock to buy a D812 thinking there getting the same product only to be disappointed.
Makes it more fair for everyone
10-10-2014, 02:05 PM
#126
Well, you can get the '91 Detroit RC10
Still wouldn't get the D812, I'm deep into 2 other brands which have support and have high levels of performance.
And I strongly believe all the K team runs the out of the box car save for the cab forward body.
Still wouldn't get the D812, I'm deep into 2 other brands which have support and have high levels of performance.
And I strongly believe all the K team runs the out of the box car save for the cab forward body.
10-10-2014, 02:27 PM
#127
Honestly, IMO, skateboarding and BMX isn't "anywhere" special anyway. Other than to those who enjoy it. Do the guys getting paid to ride skateboards and BMX bike care, along with their fans, sure. They're no different than us R/C guys.
Getting to where skateboarding and BMX are is no real goal, we're already there. Which in the real World, is nowhere anyone will notice.
I take that back. We're light years ahead of those two sports. I see Traxxas ads all the time, on channels and during programs that would have been unheard of just a couple years ago...SB and BMX, not so much..as in never.
We seem to b getting a little off topic though...
Getting to where skateboarding and BMX are is no real goal, we're already there. Which in the real World, is nowhere anyone will notice.
I take that back. We're light years ahead of those two sports. I see Traxxas ads all the time, on channels and during programs that would have been unheard of just a couple years ago...SB and BMX, not so much..as in never.
We seem to b getting a little off topic though...
Yup.. pro darts is more popular than RC, which is exactly why when I see "pros" coming out with there own clothing line it boggles my mind. How many shirts can a "pro" RC driver sell 100-200 tops?
I think people think that this hobby is a lot more important/popular than it is. "dude rc should be on ESPN!!!" give me a break.
10-10-2014, 02:29 PM
#128
For those who are against Pros/Teams running special or one-off parts, I have a question. How is it any different than any other form of racing? MX, SX, Pro ATV, BTCC, WEC, ALMS, MotoGP, etc.. NONE of these forms of racing are using vehicles, fuels, tires, etc that are 100% consumer-available. Yet they will gladly advertise it as a great win for XYZ company then try and sell you ABC products. These companies do it for advertising.
IFMAR, ROAR, FEMCA, FAMAR, EFRA, etc. Those championships are more about advertising than they are about proving products which you can buy. Its not any different than Chevrolet winning a NASCAR Manf. Championship and plastering it all over TV commercials. Audi won a WEC championship? Alright, let me go hop down to the dealer buy an Audi R8 and see if it'll keep up in LMGTE. Are some R/C manufacturers bending reality to make a sale? Absolutely, and that's one of my issues with this whole R/C scam. All the IFMAR World's proved, was that Pro-Line and HPI/HB, CAN make products that are the best. Not that they do or that you can buy them within the next 2 years.
Consumers should be buying kits/engines/tires that work for them and the track conditions you run on. Not because they won an IFMAR/ROAR/etc Championship. Otherwise, you're liable to be let down greatly.
IFMAR, ROAR, FEMCA, FAMAR, EFRA, etc. Those championships are more about advertising than they are about proving products which you can buy. Its not any different than Chevrolet winning a NASCAR Manf. Championship and plastering it all over TV commercials. Audi won a WEC championship? Alright, let me go hop down to the dealer buy an Audi R8 and see if it'll keep up in LMGTE. Are some R/C manufacturers bending reality to make a sale? Absolutely, and that's one of my issues with this whole R/C scam. All the IFMAR World's proved, was that Pro-Line and HPI/HB, CAN make products that are the best. Not that they do or that you can buy them within the next 2 years.
Consumers should be buying kits/engines/tires that work for them and the track conditions you run on. Not because they won an IFMAR/ROAR/etc Championship. Otherwise, you're liable to be let down greatly.
You NEVER see Chevy using ford parts or Yamaha using Suzuki shocks. As you said it's a scam, a scam that is being put in the spotlight with the internet and the hobby being watched for the first time in it's lifetime. AKA understands that it isn't a good look and I applaud them for wanting to put a stop to it. I hope this trend continues and we get more honesty out of these companies we give are extra cash too.
They may be toys but the money isn't play money. Even if it's a hobby, consumers shouldn't be tricked.
10-10-2014, 02:37 PM
#129
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,491
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
NASCAR, not production. WRC, not production. WSB, not production. NHRA, clearly not production. F1...that one is obvious
10-10-2014, 02:44 PM
#130
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,491
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
Silo, I don't see where the scam is?
Yes drivers have run other brand tires and won races but has a company ever advertised that they won a race when that driver ran a different brand?
Yes drivers have run other brand tires and won races but has a company ever advertised that they won a race when that driver ran a different brand?
10-10-2014, 02:44 PM
#131
Tech Regular
Honestly, IMO, skateboarding and BMX isn't "anywhere" special anyway. Other than to those who enjoy it. Do the guys getting paid to ride skateboards and BMX bike care, along with their fans, sure. They're no different than us R/C guys.
Getting to where skateboarding and BMX are is no real goal, we're already there. Which in the real World, is nowhere anyone will notice.
I take that back. We're light years ahead of those two sports. I see Traxxas ads all the time, on channels and during programs that would have been unheard of just a couple years ago...SB and BMX, not so much..as in never.
We seem to b getting a little off topic though...
Getting to where skateboarding and BMX are is no real goal, we're already there. Which in the real World, is nowhere anyone will notice.
I take that back. We're light years ahead of those two sports. I see Traxxas ads all the time, on channels and during programs that would have been unheard of just a couple years ago...SB and BMX, not so much..as in never.
We seem to b getting a little off topic though...
If the attendance or participation was anything like BMX or Skateboarding then maybe it would be on same level but it's not even close. A lot more kids skateboard than drive toy cars at races.
Also I think the big races are the best for R&D to try new parts against the highest level of competition. Doesn't need to be available to the public yet.
10-10-2014, 02:56 PM
#132
My biggest problem is running other company parts, I can stomach prototype parts but a losi running K parts is just wrong for me.
And yeah USMC STONE 1 guys are delusional if they think RC is bigger than skateboarding and BMX. Heck, Magic the gathering is bigger than R/C.
10-10-2014, 03:20 PM
#133
Tech Regular
As I said, it's not the same are pro motorsports. Everyone knows those aren't production cars. R/C is different as we are doing exactly what the pros are doing. I'm not saying they should always run production parts. I'm saying that for big races, they should run parts that are for sale or at least will become available after the race.
My biggest problem is running other company parts, I can stomach prototype parts but a losi running K parts is just wrong for me.
And yeah USMC STONE 1 guys are delusional if they think RC is bigger than skateboarding and BMX. Heck, Magic the gathering is bigger than R/C.
My biggest problem is running other company parts, I can stomach prototype parts but a losi running K parts is just wrong for me.
And yeah USMC STONE 1 guys are delusional if they think RC is bigger than skateboarding and BMX. Heck, Magic the gathering is bigger than R/C.
I can understand that it looks bad to a company to have other manufacturers parts on their factory drivers cars and you don't see that in any other sport, but those other sports are a lot more popular which give the companies more money to develop their own prototypes. thats how i see it anyways
10-10-2014, 03:24 PM
#134
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,491
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
As I said, it's not the same are pro motorsports. Everyone knows those aren't production cars. R/C is different as we are doing exactly what the pros are doing. I'm not saying they should always run production parts. I'm saying that for big races, they should run parts that are for sale or at least will become available after the race.
My biggest problem is running other company parts, I can stomach prototype parts but a losi running K parts is just wrong for me.
And yeah USMC STONE 1 guys are delusional if they think RC is bigger than skateboarding and BMX. Heck, Magic the gathering is bigger than R/C.
My biggest problem is running other company parts, I can stomach prototype parts but a losi running K parts is just wrong for me.
And yeah USMC STONE 1 guys are delusional if they think RC is bigger than skateboarding and BMX. Heck, Magic the gathering is bigger than R/C.
Prototype parts..you're ok if a company makes a custom CNC'ed part with the same geometry as another brand but NOT ok with them bolting on that brands part? Why expect a company to waste the money to make the exact same thing they can buy for 20 bucks??
Isn't the new RC8 a trickle down from the last 2 years of them running K parts? Isn't the B44.3 a trickle down from drivers running and testing the Durango gear diffs?
10-10-2014, 03:24 PM
#135
You guys are forgetting that while high-level motorsports don't use "production equipment" (F1, AMA, etc) they still have to homologate their equipment for use and get scrutinized to that homologation.
AMA Homologation Form
Be interesting to see this applied to RC.
AMA Homologation Form
Be interesting to see this applied to RC.