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11-03-2012, 02:51 AM
stormtrooper, ipakita mo na kay octopus yun potential ng former bf homes track driver and champ... 
11-03-2012, 03:50 AM
11-03-2012, 06:25 AM
RC CrewChief Software
I just received a copy of the RC CrewChief software and used it to compare silvercan vs brushless motors (image 1) and then simulate a Tamiya F104 acceleration contest between the two motors (image 2).
While 21.5T has less rpm, it has more torque. And in the acceleration test, it beats the silvercan on simulation.
I did quick assumptions on certain parameters. Real test is still to run on the track. However if simulation holds true, 21.5T will not be allowed for 2013.
See you tomorrow!
I just received a copy of the RC CrewChief software and used it to compare silvercan vs brushless motors (image 1) and then simulate a Tamiya F104 acceleration contest between the two motors (image 2).
While 21.5T has less rpm, it has more torque. And in the acceleration test, it beats the silvercan on simulation.
I did quick assumptions on certain parameters. Real test is still to run on the track. However if simulation holds true, 21.5T will not be allowed for 2013.
See you tomorrow!
11-03-2012, 06:29 AM
Up, still looking...
11-03-2012, 09:18 AM
theories can be proven wrong. the comparisons made weren't on actual even grounds. why don't we compare a formula tuned motor with a hobbywing 21.5t 1600kv bl? this would be on almost even output numbers. can anybody here say that a formula tuned motor can outrun a silvercan?
in the last club race, i tried using the formula tuned on my 104. yes, i was accelerating quicker exiting turns but the silvercan was right behind me by an inch lang rin. in jp raceway's straight, i doubt that a formula tuned can outrun a silvercan...i have proven this to myself otherwise, with 50 laps to prove it, and those who overtook me again and again can say the same thing, especially mr colico who has been pushing me to run quicker 'coz i was slowing him down. running the formula tuned can probably be the closest thing we could get to running 21.5t bl. stating that 21.5t bl motors wil be faster than silvercans can be very misleading as there are a multitude of varieties in kv ratings for bl motors. assumptions are not welcome in experiments, and as i was told, we are still in our experimental stages.
i would be more than glad to perform experiments needed for comparison. but if there is already an existing prejudice against bl systems and all efforts will be futile because of this prejudice then i am just wasting time and money on this matter.
in the last club race, i tried using the formula tuned on my 104. yes, i was accelerating quicker exiting turns but the silvercan was right behind me by an inch lang rin. in jp raceway's straight, i doubt that a formula tuned can outrun a silvercan...i have proven this to myself otherwise, with 50 laps to prove it, and those who overtook me again and again can say the same thing, especially mr colico who has been pushing me to run quicker 'coz i was slowing him down. running the formula tuned can probably be the closest thing we could get to running 21.5t bl. stating that 21.5t bl motors wil be faster than silvercans can be very misleading as there are a multitude of varieties in kv ratings for bl motors. assumptions are not welcome in experiments, and as i was told, we are still in our experimental stages.
i would be more than glad to perform experiments needed for comparison. but if there is already an existing prejudice against bl systems and all efforts will be futile because of this prejudice then i am just wasting time and money on this matter.
11-03-2012, 09:25 AM
10k (selling for a friend)
FULL OPTION Hot bodies moore-speed *edition
Sorex r36 tires on dish rims*
Free body
*10k (selling for a friend)
Tamiya TRF 416x with
Spec-R gear diff rear
Spool front
Extra chassis smokem
Extra carbonfiber shock tower
Spare 2pcs belt long 1pc belt short
Spare spur gear new*
Motor and pinion
Sorex tires
Box included
*9k
Tamiya RTR TT01 E with hop ups
Oil filled shocks*
Carbonfiber upper deck
Aluminum blue center shaft
Aluminum blue propeller joint
Front universals
Front oneway
Sorex tires*
Futaba am radio with reciver
Esc*
nimh battery
Charger
Acoms servo
Sport tuned motor*
58/25 spur pinion
Free protoform body*
6k*
Tto1 e brand new with audi r8 body*
Extra set of rims
7k
Hsp rockcrawler brand new RTR
2.4ghz remote with reciver
Esc with motor
Hi trq heavy duty servo
Battery and charger
Jeep rubicon body black*
Novak cyclone esc no motor limit
---3,000
2pcs Turnigy lipo nano tech 5.3ah *50-100c hard case ---1,700 each
Futaba BLS-352 servo 1/4 ear cut--- 3,000
Flysky gt3b with reciver used only 3times--- 2,000
Flysky gt3C brandnew with reciver--2800
Lipo buzzer with volt setting new--500
Tamiya TRF shocks blue like new--1,200 (reserved to axo)
New *clone TRF shocks all blue all aluminum,with aluminum bottom spring retainer ---1200 (3sets available)
New unpainted lexan body with light bucket and wing-1000 each
Levin86
S15
Volks hatchback
Painted and new--1000 each
Levin86 yellow
Eclipse white/red
Skyline blue
Honda integra R *black/white
Note: Some scratches on the pre-loved kits but nothing biggie,i can email the picture to you just pm me your email address.*
All items are in cabanatuan city nueva ecija i only do shipping unless im in manila. Buyer shoulder the shipping cost via lbc
FULL OPTION Hot bodies moore-speed *edition
Sorex r36 tires on dish rims*
Free body
*10k (selling for a friend)
Tamiya TRF 416x with
Spec-R gear diff rear
Spool front
Extra chassis smokem
Extra carbonfiber shock tower
Spare 2pcs belt long 1pc belt short
Spare spur gear new*
Motor and pinion
Sorex tires
Box included
*9k
Tamiya RTR TT01 E with hop ups
Oil filled shocks*
Carbonfiber upper deck
Aluminum blue center shaft
Aluminum blue propeller joint
Front universals
Front oneway
Sorex tires*
Futaba am radio with reciver
Esc*
nimh battery
Charger
Acoms servo
Sport tuned motor*
58/25 spur pinion
Free protoform body*
6k*
Tto1 e brand new with audi r8 body*
Extra set of rims
7k
Hsp rockcrawler brand new RTR
2.4ghz remote with reciver
Esc with motor
Hi trq heavy duty servo
Battery and charger
Jeep rubicon body black*
Novak cyclone esc no motor limit
---3,000
2pcs Turnigy lipo nano tech 5.3ah *50-100c hard case ---1,700 each
Futaba BLS-352 servo 1/4 ear cut--- 3,000
Flysky gt3b with reciver used only 3times--- 2,000
Flysky gt3C brandnew with reciver--2800
Lipo buzzer with volt setting new--500
Tamiya TRF shocks blue like new--1,200 (reserved to axo)
New *clone TRF shocks all blue all aluminum,with aluminum bottom spring retainer ---1200 (3sets available)
New unpainted lexan body with light bucket and wing-1000 each
Levin86
S15
Volks hatchback
Painted and new--1000 each
Levin86 yellow
Eclipse white/red
Skyline blue
Honda integra R *black/white
Note: Some scratches on the pre-loved kits but nothing biggie,i can email the picture to you just pm me your email address.*
All items are in cabanatuan city nueva ecija i only do shipping unless im in manila. Buyer shoulder the shipping cost via lbc
11-03-2012, 10:09 AM
Tech Initiate
iTrader: (1)
FS: Futaba 3PJ tx/Rx 40mhz
Selling my old school tx/rx. In very good condition.
Pics to follow.
1.5k lng
RFS: Bawas tx/rx. Di na nagagamit. TY.
Pics to follow.
1.5k lng
RFS: Bawas tx/rx. Di na nagagamit. TY.
11-03-2012, 10:34 AM
looking for:
sanwa m8 w/blue backlight tx/rx.....low budget lang any freq. will do..
pm me or post na lang po dito must be in good condition naman dapat wag yung may sira
sanwa m8 w/blue backlight tx/rx.....low budget lang any freq. will do..
pm me or post na lang po dito must be in good condition naman dapat wag yung may sira
11-03-2012, 12:39 PM
theories can be proven wrong. the comparisons made weren't on actual even grounds. why don't we compare a formula tuned motor with a hobbywing 21.5t 1600kv bl? this would be on almost even output numbers. can anybody here say that a formula tuned motor can outrun a silvercan?
in the last club race, i tried using the formula tuned on my 104. yes, i was accelerating quicker exiting turns but the silvercan was right behind me by an inch lang rin. in jp raceway's straight, i doubt that a formula tuned can outrun a silvercan...i have proven this to myself otherwise, with 50 laps to prove it, and those who overtook me again and again can say the same thing, especially mr colico who has been pushing me to run quicker 'coz i was slowing him down. running the formula tuned can probably be the closest thing we could get to running 21.5t bl. stating that 21.5t bl motors wil be faster than silvercans can be very misleading as there are a multitude of varieties in kv ratings for bl motors. assumptions are not welcome in experiments, and as i was told, we are still in our experimental stages.
i would be more than glad to perform experiments needed for comparison. but if there is already an existing prejudice against bl systems and all efforts will be futile because of this prejudice then i am just wasting time and money on this matter.
in the last club race, i tried using the formula tuned on my 104. yes, i was accelerating quicker exiting turns but the silvercan was right behind me by an inch lang rin. in jp raceway's straight, i doubt that a formula tuned can outrun a silvercan...i have proven this to myself otherwise, with 50 laps to prove it, and those who overtook me again and again can say the same thing, especially mr colico who has been pushing me to run quicker 'coz i was slowing him down. running the formula tuned can probably be the closest thing we could get to running 21.5t bl. stating that 21.5t bl motors wil be faster than silvercans can be very misleading as there are a multitude of varieties in kv ratings for bl motors. assumptions are not welcome in experiments, and as i was told, we are still in our experimental stages.
i would be more than glad to perform experiments needed for comparison. but if there is already an existing prejudice against bl systems and all efforts will be futile because of this prejudice then i am just wasting time and money on this matter.
tsk tsk tsk basahin maiigi bago mag react.
11-03-2012, 01:55 PM
I did not allow the Tamiya 30T FL Tuned. On track it was noticeably fast. The Tamiya 32T formula tuned was allowed as track testing shows it is not faster than a silvercan. But despite being a slower motor, it is used on the FGXs and can run a competitive mid A-main position. The silvercan overheats in the FGX, the Formula Tuned allowed racers to run the FGX without burning motors.
The maximum length of JP raceway is around 30 meters, with most corner to corner around 10 meters or less. Acceleration in such short distances must be factored in the track testing.
Also to be factored is the efficiency of brushless in a 15 minute race (e.g. how fast it is compared to a silvercan from the 8 to 15 minute mark of racing).
Would be happy if my theoretical assumption can be proven wrong. I don't mind moving forward in technology and giving racers more options.
P.S. Hobbywing 21.5t 1600kv looks promising and will probably pass our criteria. I leave it up to hobby shops, manufacturers, individuals to take the initiative to prove their system of choice and have them approved.
Last edited by rccartips; 11-03-2012 at 02:40 PM.
11-03-2012, 08:07 PM
P12,000 for 2 tamiya tt01
Good Day,
I'm selling my both my Tamiya tt01d and tt01e
TT01D Specs:
sport tuned motor
center aluminum shaft
deans plug
with 1 tamiya 1300mAh 7.2v nicad battery
tamiya controller
TT01D/E Specs:
Silver Can Motor
Cup joint
Remote with receiver am by kyosho
Standard servo futaba,
Standard servo with hitrq save
Esc teu104 with lipo cut off
radial tire set
3200mAh Lipo battery
FRREBIES:
2 Bashed body (350Z and Golf GTI)
tires on oz rims
Mad Series 4300mAh 7.4v Lipo Battery (defective)
BOTH Ready to run....
8 AA nalang kulang for the remote...
PRICE: P12,000
Location: Katipunan, Quezon city
contact me at 0922-282-4654/0919-500-3067
I'm selling my both my Tamiya tt01d and tt01e
TT01D Specs:
sport tuned motor
center aluminum shaft
deans plug
with 1 tamiya 1300mAh 7.2v nicad battery
tamiya controller
TT01D/E Specs:
Silver Can Motor
Cup joint
Remote with receiver am by kyosho
Standard servo futaba,
Standard servo with hitrq save
Esc teu104 with lipo cut off
radial tire set
3200mAh Lipo battery
FRREBIES:
2 Bashed body (350Z and Golf GTI)
tires on oz rims
Mad Series 4300mAh 7.4v Lipo Battery (defective)
BOTH Ready to run....
8 AA nalang kulang for the remote...
PRICE: P12,000
Location: Katipunan, Quezon city
contact me at 0922-282-4654/0919-500-3067
11-03-2012, 10:10 PM
looking for ezrun 60amp esc + 9T motor combo w/ program card. Pls PM offers. thanks
11-03-2012, 11:19 PM
Tech Initiate
I'm Selling my KDS 450QS Innova heli RTF kit.
7.5K (NEGO)
8X batts na lang kulang W/ lipo at wall charger na included.
Brushless Motor and Brushless ESC
W/ 4x 9g KDS servo.
K7XII 2.4ghz Radio and reciever
KDS Gyro included.
Box and manuals
Damaged yung tailboom (w/ 2pcs Bnew Extra tailboom included)
Damaged din yung Main blade.
(not actually nag crash kaya na damage, during take off nasanggi ng aso ko kaya nag kaloko loko, pati aso ko iyak. hehehe)
PM me for the pics
RFS: Hindi para sakin ang heli. (not that skilled and nawala din interest ko dahil walang malapit na pwede pag paliparan.)
Still functioning well, the problem is hindi ko alam paliparin.
Ortigas area for meet ups.
Pwede din shipping pag uusapan na lang.
09182603492
7.5K (NEGO)
8X batts na lang kulang W/ lipo at wall charger na included.
Brushless Motor and Brushless ESC
W/ 4x 9g KDS servo.
K7XII 2.4ghz Radio and reciever
KDS Gyro included.
Box and manuals
Damaged yung tailboom (w/ 2pcs Bnew Extra tailboom included)
Damaged din yung Main blade.
(not actually nag crash kaya na damage, during take off nasanggi ng aso ko kaya nag kaloko loko, pati aso ko iyak. hehehe)
PM me for the pics
RFS: Hindi para sakin ang heli. (not that skilled and nawala din interest ko dahil walang malapit na pwede pag paliparan.)
Still functioning well, the problem is hindi ko alam paliparin.
Ortigas area for meet ups.
Pwede din shipping pag uusapan na lang.
09182603492
FREE SHIPPING NA PO FOR 7K
11-04-2012, 01:17 AM
SAVAGE FLUX HP
sold!
Last edited by lance_allan; 11-09-2012 at 06:42 AM.