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A800R Released March 23, 2023 with two kit versions, A800RA (alloy) and A800RC (carbon)


Mid Motor Content ---

New Part Releases
  • January 2020 - A800-AM24-20 Servo Holder - combine servo holder and steering holder to one single part.
  • February 2020 - A800-ADC Advanced Damper Cup Set - Reduces the amount of rebuild routines. It offers the possibility to A) remove air and B) add oil into the damper without the need of full disassembling
  • January 2021 - A800-BDL - Body Downtravel Limiter, replaces SPR08
  • March 2021 - A800-P138LFA - 38T Pully Low Friction - For Gear Diff
  • March 2021 - A800-P138S-LFA 38T Spool Pulley Low Friction - For Spool
  • April 2021 - A800-C27MMX - Full Length Top Deck for A800MMX
  • May 2021 - A800-C01MMA Alloy Chassis - Battery position is shifted to the front to achieve a better overall weight distribution. Removes short arm holes. New narrower shape
  • September 2021 - A800-C04M1+7.0 Arm - narrows the track width for lower grip levels
  • October 2021 - AM180EVO Single Bellcrank Steering Update - AM180EVO is a direct replacement for AM180M5

A800MMX and A800MMXA Kit Updates
  • AM152/AM24-8 is replaced by AM24-20 in this kit (UPDATE 08.03.2021)
  • P138/P138S is replaced by P138-1/P138S-1 in this kit (UPDATE 25.03.2021)
  • C01B-X-MMA is replaced by C01MMA in MMXA kit (UPDATE 26.05.2021)
  • AM180M5 is replaced by AM180EVO in this kit (UPDATE 21.09.2021)


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A800 Information
New Parts
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01-98 - The version of SPR01 springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01S-98 - The version of SPR01S springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • May / June 2016: A800-AM14A - includes new optional "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A700-AM14-3 - removes the prior "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C04AL+0.5 - 0.5mm wider alloy suspension arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C01B-2.25 - 2.25mm carbon main plate (best suited for asphalt racing)
  • May / June 2016: A800-D2.2 - Dampers that support a thicker SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H3 - Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper
  • May / June 2016: A800-AT41-2 - Damper vane for the D2.2 damper designed to work w/ SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H - Stronger Shock Rod Guides for the D2.0 and D2.1 damper versions
  • May 2016: A800-AM19-4 - Currently used in the rear of a kit. With AM19-4 the top link effective length is 0,7mm shorter compare to AM19-2. Also with AM19-4 the flex of suspension is smaller ( similar to more stiffer arm and c-hub of normal cars). The screws on dampers are more accessible for adjustment.
  • January 2017 - SPRO2X - new for dampers and do not require a 98 degree bent spring.
  • January 2017 - New A800X and A800XA kits now available featuring 0.3mm longer front and rear wheelbase.
Kit Updates
  • May - Current: Kits now including DT10-2-1 bearing holders for increased side play and durability of the differential and spool.
  • May - July 2016: bearings within kits require oil before use
  • May / June 2016: C01B-AL (Khaki) Chassis with 0.5mm/side wider front arm mounts
  • May / June 2016: 2x ST17-1-S replace ST17 - See page 21 of manual
  • May / June 2016: Updated damper, D2.2, introduced
  • May / June 2016: Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper included with kits, A800-SPR02H3
  • Jan 2016: GD2 Output Axle (ST31-1) update to use blue foam (P46) instead of set screw (used on each side of Axle after assembly)


Setups
Major Race Wins
  • 2016 Reedy Race of Champions - Modified - Julian Wong
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 17.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 13.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2015/6 ETS Season 9 Round 3 - Xray Pro Stock Division - Tony Streit
  • 2015 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 International Indoor Championships (IIC) - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Halloween Classic at the Gate - 17.5 - Brad Johnson
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 -Matt Lyons
  • 2016 Stock Wars - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Hudy Indoor Championship - 17.5 - Brad Johnson

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Old 03-09-2020, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonprice92
Any tips on how to get to 5mm ride height on Protoforms that are a bit ballooned, I am all the way up on st69-00 screw and at 6.5 mm? (A800MMX VTA)
A racer this weekend had this exact same problem. There is a much easier way to lower the car than my suggestion of playing around with the spring/damper assembly. Just add shims between the AM06 steering blocks and the ST03 ball studs. His car didn't have any shims, so he added a 1mm shim and it fixed the problem.
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congratulations to the team on the nice winnings and showings in roar nats, hope to see some setups posted on the petitrc site.
last black carpet setup was by the one and the only one sam issac back in dec.
euro team have a lot of setups posted. we need to catch up here in the u.s.😀
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A ton of black carpet setups are in the folders provided by FJ via AwesomatixUSA also:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/f...TNna293WExYcTg

Check it out :-)
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Due to the thread here, I have decided to change my vta car out to a mod car. I am still running my mmx in 21.5 and don't plan on changing that, but my 800x evo will be switched. Can someone point me to a decent starting setup for black carpet mod on a small track with the evo? I have both the XA and the XAH chassis with carbon longs arms, or aluminum short arms. Also, the only mod motor I have is an old Novak Velocity 5.5r that I used to run in my 4wd buggy, I assume this will be just fine to start with.
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Originally Posted by trilerian
Due to the thread here, I have decided to change my vta car out to a mod car. I am still running my mmx in 21.5 and don't plan on changing that, but my 800x evo will be switched. Can someone point me to a decent starting setup for black carpet mod on a small track with the evo? I have both the XA and the XAH chassis with carbon longs arms, or aluminum short arms. Also, the only mod motor I have is an old Novak Velocity 5.5r that I used to run in my 4wd buggy, I assume this will be just fine to start with.
hopefully you'll soon see how difficult modified is. the power package is the #1 thing that must be correct -- no chassis tuning can overcome a bad modified TC power setup.

look for 2019 us indoor champs (2019-11) folder setup from mike gee -- or setups prior to this as the Mid Motor revolution wasn't in full swing yet then.
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Originally Posted by hanulec
hopefully you'll soon see how difficult modified is. the power package is the #1 thing that must be correct -- no chassis tuning can overcome a bad modified TC power setup.

look for 2019 us indoor champs (2019-11) folder setup from mike gee -- or setups prior to this as the Mid Motor revolution wasn't in full swing yet then.
Thank you! I found a setup at 360v2 by Sam from 2018-10 that I can start with. As to the power package, right now I am limited to the Velocity 5.5r and a Reedy 410r esc, with a 5300 EAM battery. If I can wheel it, which I don't know if that will be the case, I will eventually get a 5.0 motor and an R1 mod esc. At this point it is an experiment, just like vta was an experiment. My only goal is to not leave parts all over the track, lol. Oh, and try to be faster than 21.5.
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My steering was not centering on my new A800MMX. It has the single bellcrank. One of the bearings is shot. However, the bearing size is not listed in the manual. What size bearings go into the AM180 bellcrank?

EDIT: I just measured one of the bearings. 8mm x 5mm x 2.5mm.

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My steering was not centering on my new A800MMX. It has the single bellcrank. One of the bearings is shot. However, the bearing size is not listed in the manual. What size bearings go into the AM180 bellcrank?
B85RS is the part no. 8x5x2.5mm I believe.
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My steering was not centering on my new A800MMX. It has the single bellcrank. One of the bearings is shot. However, the bearing size is not listed in the manual. What size bearings go into the AM180 bellcrank?
5x8x2.5. My suggestion, take out the al 3x5 screw that limits the steering. When you tap a board with that in you can destroy those bearings. I have had no issues since taking it out.
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Thank you! I found a setup at 360v2 by Sam from 2018-10 that I can start with. As to the power package, right now I am limited to the Velocity 5.5r and a Reedy 410r esc, with a 5300 EAM battery. If I can wheel it, which I don't know if that will be the case, I will eventually get a 5.0 motor and an R1 mod esc. At this point it is an experiment, just like vta was an experiment. My only goal is to not leave parts all over the track, lol. Oh, and try to be faster than 21.5.
If you invest in mod- buy motors and ESC that win championships. Just ask Sam. 4th year in a row
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Originally Posted by hanulec
If you invest in mod- buy motors and ESC that win championships. Just ask Sam. 4th year in a row
Now I'm lost. I thought mod was supposed to get rid of motor/esc/battery wars. I though the idea was so much power that driving the car was the limiting factor.
So I guess I am curious, I know Sam runs Hobbywing stuff. But I am not much of a fan of Hobbywing. Why wouldn't the Monster Max 5.0 and R1 digital 3 mod esc be just as good as the Hobbywing G3 5.0 and Hobbywing G2 esc?

Anyway, I got the car together with what I have and will test it tonight!
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Originally Posted by trilerian
Now I'm lost. I thought mod was supposed to get rid of motor/esc/battery wars. I though the idea was so much power that driving the car was the limiting factor.
So I guess I am curious, I know Sam runs Hobbywing stuff. But I am not much of a fan of Hobbywing. Why wouldn't the Monster Max 5.0 and R1 digital 3 mod esc be just as good as the Hobbywing G3 5.0 and Hobbywing G2 esc?

Anyway, I got the car together with what I have and will test it tonight!
I think what Hanulec is referring to is that some speedo's are not very good for mod as they will make the car extremely hard to drive, like on off switch, and will make your experience very bad. Hes just saying if you use something that is a known good Mod setup then you'll be able to get setups and know that you have it set properly and be able to drive it which allows you to work on the car itself.

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Originally Posted by trilerian
Now I'm lost. I thought mod was supposed to get rid of motor/esc/battery wars. I though the idea was so much power that driving the car was the limiting factor.
So I guess I am curious, I know Sam runs Hobbywing stuff. But I am not much of a fan of Hobbywing. Why wouldn't the Monster Max 5.0 and R1 digital 3 mod esc be just as good as the Hobbywing G3 5.0 and Hobbywing G2 esc?

Anyway, I got the car together with what I have and will test it tonight!
Mod does get rid of the electronics war. If you buy the CORRECT electrics, they will last you for several years. But that doesn't mean you can just stick any old stuff in the car and it'll work.

For mod you need a motor with a smooth power band. Not too much torque at the bottom end, and power that comes in gradually.

For the ESC, you want lots of adjustments so you can get the feel right for the traction and size of track.

That's why most mod drivers run hobbywing. The mod motors are super-smooth. The ESC has drive frequency, softening, throttle rate and fine control of boost and turbo.

Most manufacturers are focused on stock racing, as thats where the money is. As a result, their mod motors are too powerful at the bottom end, and their ESCs lack adjustments to tame the power.
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My esc is the Reedy Black Box 410r. It has throttle frequency adjustment and torque adjustment along with timing adjustment. I assume this will be fine? Is there a mod esc out that doesn't have these options? I thought all that was pretty standard now. Yeah, when I first got into brushless with the Novak SS then the GTBs, they didn't have that. But then the Tekin RS Pro came out and changed everything.
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My esc is the Reedy Black Box 410r. It has throttle frequency adjustment and torque adjustment along with timing adjustment. I assume this will be fine? Is there a mod esc out that doesn't have these options? I thought all that was pretty standard now. Yeah, when I first got into brushless with the Novak SS then the GTBs, they didn't have that. But then the Tekin RS Pro came out and changed everything.
Just because they have the adjustments doesnt mean its good. Tekin has every adjustment known to man but is quite possibly the worst speedo known to man as far as how the throttle feels unless you want it on or off only. There is no in between.

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