Originally Posted by PitNamedGordie

I am absolutely not against ROAR. They have done much more good for all RC over many years. But with what seems to be sustained popularity, USTVA has their set of rules that seem to be working without membership fees. Why don't USVTA/USGT folks (Rob K) come up TC rules for both stock and super stock? Rob do you think this is possible? Is this something you'd like to do? I know we ran "World Stock Sedan" in the Hurricane series....kinda a hybrid of USGT and Stock TC...just thinking out loud...

Originally Posted by Team Paradyme

Hmmmm, I always thought that a public forum was to show all sides of a situation, not only the authors.

Originally Posted by Jeff Cuffs

Well if you are popping more motors in boost then not in nonboost then maybe you need to work on gearing.

Originally Posted by hairy

So go a head keep discussing something that is a moot point.

Originally Posted by CarbonJoe

After almost 50 pages, how about a quick summary:

1) Just about everyone agrees that we need a beginner class. Not sure why ROAR went with 21.5 when VTA is using 25.5. Blinky makes sense for this class. A lot of posts ask why does every class need to run blinky mode, since Sportsman should be the beginner class. Not every class needs to be a beginner class. Even if Sportsman is TC and not VTA, if the two shared a common powertrain, one could move between classes with a simple body and tire change. At least when someone decides to move up, they could sell their existing equipment to someone running the other class.

2) Some claim that realism is needed to draw new racers to the hobby. VTA is perfect for this vs. touring car, with their generic body styles. Or even RCGT, which at least uses recognizable bodies.

3) Not everyone agrees that the rest of the "spec" classes should be blinky only. Some feel leeway should exist to allow boosted classes, possibly based on track size. A faction argues that boost makes motors run cooler, others argue the opposite. Both sides argue that if your motor is too hot, your gearing isn't right.

4) Many more people don't want to have their existing ESCs obsoleted by decree, when they meet the rules for blinky mode right now. It doesn't please most of today's racers that, in the interest of cost controls, the vast majority of existing racers will need to spend more money to go "backwards".

5) Some people imply that selected manufacturers seem to be pushing their agenda behind the scenes to force all spec classes back to no timing ESC classes. Same goes for locked timing motors. People fear that this will result in "ESC/Motor/Battery of the week/month."

Originally Posted by hairy

I agree and you forgot there is the group that just wants to keep posting even if it has NOTHING to do with the original post!

There is no real one answer to the question at all. WE as the racers have the ability to control the hobby alot more than most people think and the manufactures are very aware of that fact. If you want boost then run it if not then don't it's your choice and R.O.A.R. is by no means the LAST and only word on the subject. I don't like the rule of no boost so I have voted for that with my dollars.After being a member since 1988 I have chosen to not renew this year because I don't like the direction they are heading.

This thread has been open for five months and had over 700 posts and the situation is still the same BUT some feel that their right to expression is being infringred upon because I would like to close the thread. WOW WHAT JOKE!!!!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by UltegraSTI

its the same bit as brushed. people will try and squeeze every bit they can for more speed. that and the guy who had setup his car has good times knows how to drive keeps up on the conditions will generate more corner speed and that in turn will yield the motor having to work less to go around the track.

its clear many of you young bucks never dealt with brushed in any significance (lotta folks prop up their experience level as if it helps them over come the 'bigger dick policy' george carlin so famously outlined). The fact that if some1 like me, or another joe racer, or new guy couldnt go put on the same gear ratio as jeff cuffs, larry fairtrace, jason schreffler, robbie dodge, mike blackstock, paul lemieux etc etc etc even if our equip was the same b/c those guys can hold better lines, drive better longer, set their cars up well and thus their motors generated less work, less ampload, thus less heat. their motors survived, u were left to either eat up ur motor tryin or u had to run a tooth or 2 short til u got better around the track. but no1 wants to hear that. people just wanna biatch about it now that it hurts to the tune of 80bux or so instead of 25. Same as if 1 of the above drove ur car or u drove theirs (if they were overly nice). ur motor stayed cooler when they drove or sorted ur setup out, and their car ran hotter w/u sawin on the wheel.

trust me, a big part of me wants to go back to brushed. where all the speedos were dumb, and the motors were at least cheaper. that and like prgm'g, u had to apply some thought and effort to settin up ur motors-what u were doin was just mechanical not binary.

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