3Racing Sakura Zero S
#1832
And as Lowrance recommends, get the T3 hard bumper.
Maybe the only other thing would be the XI rear arms.
The VMM will need some work done on other areas of the car, like the top deck and the battery mounts. Plenty of pics and info not to far back in this thread.
#1833
I was considering getting swaybars too, are the front and rear swaybars identical? or do i need to buy both?
#1834
#1835
Tech Master
To begin with, I wouldn't worry about the sway bars. Pick up some springs instead.
And as Lowrance recommends, get the T3 hard bumper.
Maybe the only other thing would be the XI rear arms.
The VMM will need some work done on other areas of the car, like the top deck and the battery mounts. Plenty of pics and info not to far back in this thread.
And as Lowrance recommends, get the T3 hard bumper.
Maybe the only other thing would be the XI rear arms.
The VMM will need some work done on other areas of the car, like the top deck and the battery mounts. Plenty of pics and info not to far back in this thread.
Can you please explain the physical difference between the arms that makes the xi arm better? From the listings I have seen the xi zero zero s and ff all can use the same arm. I have always used the zero hard arms and never had any traction issues at all. Please explain so I can learn.
The bumper is nice but not a necessary upgrade.....unless you plan on hitting a lot of stuff really hard. I have never broken a part the hard bumper would have saved. Bodies included. If you have the $$$$ get the bumper but get the bars and springs first.
#1836
Tech Master
Ok found it. XI rear arms are shorter. Better traction in low traction conditions. I run on high traction carpet. Probably why I never felt the need to change anything
#1838
Originally Posted by davlnotice25455
How much shorter are the xi arms over the zero and are they a direct fit or do you need other parts.
Thanks
Thanks
Got it in one. I run mostly low to med grip so I notice whenever I drive a stock s. Might also be why your big on sway bars but I'm not :-)
#1839
Tech Master
It's a few mm, but I haven't actually measured the difference. They do bolt straight in. It's much cheaper then using narrow blocks. As as vette explained, it adds more rear grip because of the increased weight transfer. It depends on your driving style too. I've found with the stock arms you have to have a big difference front to rear spring rate to get it nice, and because your taking away grip from the front instead of adding it to the rear, you have less overall grip.
Got it in one. I run mostly low to med grip so I notice whenever I drive a stock s. Might also be why your big on sway bars but I'm not :-)
Got it in one. I run mostly low to med grip so I notice whenever I drive a stock s. Might also be why your big on sway bars but I'm not :-)
I have a good friend of mine who runs vta and he prefers no sway bar in the rear but runs one up front. It works for him. Guess most of it comes down to driving style and feel.
By the way I absolutely LOVE the xi. Man what a smooth car. Funny thing is that it has xray arms on it so I couldn't compare them to the zero arms. I have no idea what the x ray arms do as far as handling. Only drove it once and I never drove on the stock xi arms. I have been told they increase wheel base by 2 mm. In theory the car should be more stable. Guess I need to swap the arms just to try it. I will save that one for a later day though.
Got me thinking though. If the xi arms are shorter I'm willing to bet it is by 2mm. The zero has a total of 4 mm track difference front vs rear so the car is physically wider in the back. I run 7mm hexes in the front and 5 in the rear so the track is even. Car measures right on 190 mm when using 0 offset wheels. I also went to 3mm offset wheels for a total width of 196. I could notice a difference. Had to make other tuning changes in the set up but the car became more stable in the turns. Maybe this is the same effect as adding the xi arms.
#1840
The stock XI is nice, but for me I found it was lacking a little steering. The DH is a huge improvement there. You could probably get close by running the split blocks, and DH upper deck. But then again if your on high grip less flex is probably a good thing.
Will be interested to hear how the S goes with just adding sway bars. Are you just copying across your bar setup or going something different?
Will be interested to hear how the S goes with just adding sway bars. Are you just copying across your bar setup or going something different?
#1841
Tech Master
The stock XI is nice, but for me I found it was lacking a little steering. The DH is a huge improvement there. You could probably get close by running the split blocks, and DH upper deck. But then again if your on high grip less flex is probably a good thing.
Will be interested to hear how the S goes with just adding sway bars. Are you just copying across your bar setup or going something different?
Will be interested to hear how the S goes with just adding sway bars. Are you just copying across your bar setup or going something different?
The xi is beautiful on high grip. I have a ton of steering so you're probably right about the flex. it seems perfect but I do want to upgrade to dh specs. Especially the split suspension blocks. Can't wait to throw my reedy sonic in it today. My revtech is overheating (sensor board????). Should be able to get some great laps in.
#1842
Tech Regular
can some one tell me the dif with motor mounts sak66 v2 &sak 17?
#1843
Tech Master
#1845
That said, if you never hit anything the bumper never has to do anything, so your experience may vary. $14 for the Xray bumper is a lot of money compared to the couple bucks the 3Racing bumper costs (and since it comes with the kit you could even consider it to be free). But, if you are hitting stuff hard enough to break arms/c-cups/knuckles, IMHO it'll pay for itself.